#Swaminarayan
denying the authority of the Vedas
Prabhupāda: [Hindi] Swaminarayan. That is my objection. Why they are putting…
Indian man (2): “Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan.” [laughs][break].
Prabhupāda: …thing. “Swaminarayan.” Nārāyaṇa is there.
Indian man (4): Nārāyaṇa is there.
Dr. Patel: Swami is their guru, and Nārāyaṇa is God, so both, Prabhupāda and Kṛṣṇa, Prabhupāda and Kṛṣṇa, Prabhupāda Kṛṣṇa…
Prabhupāda: But that does not mean they should chant. Just like we are not instructing our disciples to chant my name, “Bhaktivedanta Swami, Bhaktivedanta Swami…” No. They’re chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. Hari-tvena samasta-śāstrair uktaḥ. Guru is respected as good as Kṛṣṇa, but that does not mean I shall teach them, “No, you chant my name, ‘Bhaktivedanta Swami, Bhaktivedanta Swami, Bhaktivedanta Swami.’ ” What is this? We are teaching, “Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa.” Harer nāma, harer nāma… [Cc. Ādi 17.21].
Indian man (2): No, no. He is from that sampradāya. [break] They worship God as Swaminarayan. “My Lord is Nārāyaṇa.” Swami means the Lord, and Nārāyaṇa is the Lord. So they say always “Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan.” Just like we chant Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa, they chant “Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan.” The Lord is Nārāyaṇa, Lord is Nārāyaṇa. Lord is Nārāyaṇa. So Swami is Nārāyaṇa. You see, actually what did he preach? “Our Swami is Nārāyaṇa.” So they have Swaminarayan song.
Prabhupāda: That is Māyāvāda. That is Māyāvāda.
Indian man (1): That is Māyāvāda, or whatever it may be.
Indian man (2): Oh, Lord is Nārāyaṇa.
Prabhupāda: Everything is Māyāvāda. As soon as we say, “Our Swami is Nārāyaṇa,” it is Māyāvāda.
Dr. Patel: It is not that. It is… What he says is not right.
Dr. Patel: Swaminarayan has answered in this way, that any of your matir…
Prabhupāda: Swaminarayan…
Dr. Patel: No, no, I speak. Any buddhi other than giving Kṛṣṇa is māyā. Anything you think other than Kṛṣṇa is māyā.
Prabhupāda: Then when he thinks that “I am incarnation of Kṛṣṇa”…
Dr. Patel: He has not said.
Prabhupāda: …it is not māyā?
Dr. Patel: He had not said so.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Dr. Patel: If tomorrow these boys say that you are incarnation of God, is it your fault?
Dr. Patel: That is what it is. Tomorrow these boys say, after you pass away, that you are incarnation of God, it is not your fault. Like that, people will say so. I have not said so.
Prabhupāda: But that is going on. The other day one, another Swaminarayan came. I ask him, “Why there is no picture of Kṛṣṇa?”
Dr. Patel: That we did discuss last time.
Prabhupāda: He also said like that. “No, because…”
Dr. Patel: Why do you want to divert?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You diverted. You brought Swaminarayan. We don’t accept Swaminarayan as authority. We don’t accept that.
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