{"id":55703,"date":"2017-09-09T01:51:06","date_gmt":"2017-09-09T05:51:06","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.isvara.org\/archive\/?p=55703"},"modified":"2023-09-05T01:54:15","modified_gmt":"2023-09-05T05:54:15","slug":"room-conversation-with-sanskrit-professor-aug-13-1973","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.isvara.org\/archive\/room-conversation-with-sanskrit-professor-aug-13-1973\/","title":{"rendered":"Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor, Aug. 13, 1973"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"bb243717\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"col-12\">\n<div class=\"mb-2 r-title r-transcript\">\n<h1 class=\"text-left\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor<\/span><\/h1>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col-12 record-info\">\n<div><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Type: <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/transcripts?type=Conversation\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Conversation<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Date: <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/transcripts?year=1973\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Aug. 13, 1973<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Location: <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/transcripts?location=Paris\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Paris<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<div><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Audio file: <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/media\/audio\/transcripts\/1973\/730813R1.PAR.mp3\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">audio\/transcripts\/1973\/730813R1.PAR.mp3<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col-12 my-1\">\n<div id=\"sticky-wrapper\" class=\"sticky-wrapper is-sticky\">\n<div class=\"mp3-player col-12 px-0\">\n<div class=\"sm2-bar-ui compact dark-text full-width\">\n<div class=\"bd sm2-main-controls\">\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-texture\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-gradient\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-element sm2-button-element\">\n<div class=\"sm2-button-bd\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><a class=\"sm2-inline-button sm2-icon-play-pause\" href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/transcripts\/730813r1par\/?query=real+initiation+first+or+second#play\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Play \/ pause<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-element sm2-inline-status\">\n<div class=\"sm2-playlist\">\n<div class=\"sm2-playlist-target\">\n<ul class=\"sm2-playlist-bd\">\n<li><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Room Conversation with Sanskrit Professor<\/span><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-progress\">\n<div class=\"sm2-row\">\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-time\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">0:00<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-progress-bd\">\n<div class=\"sm2-progress-track\">\n<div class=\"sm2-progress-bar\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-progress-ball\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-duration\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">0:00<\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-element sm2-button-element sm2-volume\">\n<div class=\"sm2-button-bd\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><a class=\"sm2-inline-button sm2-volume-control\" href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/transcripts\/730813r1par\/?query=real+initiation+first+or+second#volume\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">volume<\/a><\/span><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"bd sm2-playlist-drawer sm2-element\">\n<div class=\"sm2-inline-texture\">\n<div class=\"sm2-box-shadow\">\u00a0<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"sm2-playlist-wrapper\">\n<ul class=\"sm2-playlist-bd\">\n<li class=\"selected\">\u00a0<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"col-12\">\n<div id=\"bb243638\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> &#8230;At the University of&#8230;, at the Sorbonne University here in Paris.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243639\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, in fact, in the University of Marseilles.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243640\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Marseilles?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243641\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> In the southern part of France. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243642\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So you can show our books, how Sanskrit we have written.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243643\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> What?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243644\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> He says we can show you our books. These are some of the publications of our Society.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243645\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Set all the books. Let him read the Sanskrit portion.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243646\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> This is <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u015ar\u012bmad Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243647\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s the translation of&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243648\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Each word. Just see how we have translated. You are Sanskrit scholar.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243649\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> This is the first volume? Are you preparing more of them?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243650\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, we are preparing sixty.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243651\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243652\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Sixty volumes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243653\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, that&#8217;s wonderful.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243654\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Sixty volumes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243655\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s a good thing. You know that the first translation of the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/a><\/em> in any European language was in French, in the beginning of the nineteenth century, by a French scholar called Burnouf. Yes, it was wonderful translation into French. But just a plain translation, without commentary. I am sure that your book is more valuable&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243656\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So you can see my mode of translation.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243657\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, because&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243658\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> You can see. You open anywhere. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243659\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, and you have also a commentary&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243660\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Commentary, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243661\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> &#8230;of your own, which is most [indistinct].<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243662\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Not my own,&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243663\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243664\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> &#8230;but through the disciplic succession. <em>Eva\u1e41 parampar\u0101-pr\u0101ptam ima\u1e41 r\u0101jar\u1e63ayo vidu\u1e25<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/4\/2\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 4.2<\/a>]. In that way.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243665\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> From Caitanya.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243666\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> From \u015ar\u012b K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. You can open the Fourth, Fourth Chapter of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243667\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243668\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> This is our <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>,<\/em> published by Macmillan Company.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243669\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> You open the Fourth Chapter.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243670\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Do you think that your mission is successful?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243671\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> That is to be judged by you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243672\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh! [looks at book] That&#8217;s interesting.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243673\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> This is the verse here?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243674\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yeah. Yes, this is the verse. People told me that you have some two or three thousand disciples in the Western world?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243675\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Two&#8230;?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243676\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Two or three thousand disciples.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243677\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> More than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243678\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> More than that?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243679\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243680\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And what about France? Is it&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243681\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> That I do not know. They know.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243682\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> They know, yes, better than you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243683\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> They bring the disciples. I simply initiate. That&#8217;s all.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243684\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> [laughs] Have you been many times in France or not?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243685\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> This is the third time.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243686\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> The third time?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243687\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Formerly I was going there&#8230; What is that place name?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243688\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> Fontenay aux Roses.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243689\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Fontenay aux Roses. I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243690\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. In a sewer. So I had got very poor idea of Paris.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243691\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Really? Why?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243692\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Because in the sewer, I could not see such nice things.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243693\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Here, it&#8217;s a wonderful location.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243694\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, yes. Here it is wonderful. Now I can make an idea, what is Paris. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243695\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Surely.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243696\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> I was under impression in Paris there is no nice park. Now this time I see, yes, Paris excels the whole world, having such a nice park. Yes. I saw Golden Gate Park in San Francisco. That is also very nice. But this park is nicer than Golden Gate Park.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243697\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You think so. The Bois de Boulogne is much better than the Golden Gate?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243698\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243699\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Well, it depends. I like the Golden Gate, too, because there is the sea not far. Here, in Paris, you have no ocean, nothing.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243700\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243701\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Only a small river. That is not the&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243702\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And on the whole, Paris city is very nice. Very nice. Opulent city.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243703\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And they told me also that this morning you had some brahminical initiation to the&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243704\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, yes, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243705\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> <em>&#8230;G\u0101yatr\u012b.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243706\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243707\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> How many people?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243708\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> About fifteen.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243709\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s good. That&#8217;s good.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243710\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, they&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243711\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Seven <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47as<\/em> and ten first initiations.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243712\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> On the whole, fifteen.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243713\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Fifteen, seventeen.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243714\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Seventeen?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243715\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Seventeen.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243716\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Seventeen.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243717\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> How many levels of initiation do you have?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243718\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Two.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243719\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Two. The first&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243720\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> First initiation, experimental.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243721\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243722\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Chanting Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a mah\u0101-mantra. And then, as he practices, becomes more purified, then second initiation, G\u0101yatr\u012b. G\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra. <span style=\"background-color: #ffff00;\">But the first initiation, according to J\u012bva Gosv\u0101m\u012b, that is sufficient<\/span>. <span style=\"background-color: #ffff00;\">Chanting Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a mantra, that is sufficient.<\/span> But still, to purify them more, the second initiation, G\u0101yatr\u012b, is given. So we are creating br\u0101hma\u1e47as in the Western countries. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243723\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I see. Don&#8217;t you think it&#8217;s against the <em>dharma-\u015b\u0101stra?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243724\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243725\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No. Tell me why.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243726\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Because in the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> it is said, <em>c\u0101tur-var\u1e47ya\u1e41 may\u0101 s\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e6da\u1e41 gu\u1e47a-karma-vibh\u0101ga\u015ba\u1e25<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/4\/13\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 4.13<\/a>]. There is nothing such thing as <em>janma.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243727\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh. Very nice.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243728\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And another place, <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Bh\u0101gavatam<\/em><\/a><em>,<\/em> there is statement of N\u0101rada, advising Mah\u0101r\u0101ja Yudhi\u1e63\u1e6dhira that <em>yasya hi lak\u1e63a\u1e47a\u1e41 sa var\u1e47\u0101bhivya\u00f1jakam.<\/em> There are symptoms, <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> system, <em>satya \u015bamo dama titik\u1e63a \u0101rjava<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/18\/42\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 18.42<\/a>]. It is stated in the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>. Yasya hi yal lak\u1e63a\u1e47a\u1e41 sa var\u1e47\u0101bhivya\u00f1jakam, abhivya\u00f1jaka\u1e41 var\u1e47a. Yad hi lak\u1e63a\u1e47a\u1e41 sa, tad yadi anyatr\u0101pi d\u1e5b\u015byeta tat tenaiva vinirdi\u015bet<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/7\/11\/35\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">SB 7.11.35<\/a>]. This is the injunction of N\u0101rada = &#8220;The symptoms, brahminical symptoms, if it is found in the person who is born in a <em>\u015b\u016bdra<\/em> family, he should be accepted as <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243729\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And if the <em>\u015b\u016bdra<\/em> symptoms are visible in a person born in a <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> family, he should be accepted as <em>\u015b\u016bdra.<\/em>&#8221; And in the <em>J\u0101b\u0101la Upani\u1e63ad,<\/em> the Satyak\u0101ma J\u0101b\u0101la&#8230; So Satyak\u0101ma was born of a maidservant, but he wanted to become <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a.<\/em>So he went to Gautama Muni = &#8220;Sir, make me your disciple.&#8221; In those days, Vaidic brahminical culture, without becoming <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a,<\/em> he cannot be initiated. Initiation means to make one <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243730\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So, according to our Gosv\u0101m\u012b process, San\u0101tana Gosv\u0101m\u012b, he has given us the book <em>Hari-bhakti-vil\u0101sa.<\/em> In that book he has written,<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243731\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-verse-text\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>yath\u0101 k\u0101\u00f1canat\u0101\u1e41 y\u0101ti<br \/>\nk\u0101\u1e41sya\u1e41 rasa-vidh\u0101nata\u1e25<br \/>\ntath\u0101 dvijatva\u1e41 j\u0101yate&#8230;<br \/>\ntath\u0101 d\u012bk\u1e63\u0101-vidh\u0101nena<br \/>\ndvijatva\u1e41 j\u0101yate n\u1e5b\u1e47\u0101m<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243732\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-reference\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Hari-bhakti-vil\u0101sa 2.12]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243733\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>N\u1e5b\u1e47\u0101m:<\/em> &#8220;Of all human beings, by initiation, he becomes a <em>dvija.<\/em>&#8221; So we follow that principle. And besides that, Caitanya Mah\u0101prabhu ordered that <em>bh\u0101rata-bh\u016bmite&#8230;<\/em> You understand little Bengali?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243734\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, Bengali, no, I don&#8217;t. But it doesn&#8217;t matter.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243735\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> <em>Bh\u0101rata-bh\u016bmite manu\u1e63ya-janma haila y\u0101ra<\/em> [Cc. \u0100di 9.41]. It is almost Sanskrit. &#8220;Anyone who has taken birth as human being in the land of Bh\u0101rata-var\u1e63a,&#8221; <em>janma s\u0101rthaka kari,<\/em> &#8220;making his life successful,&#8221; <em>kara para-upak\u0101ra. Para-upak\u0101ra. Para-upak\u0101ra<\/em> means everyone is in slumber and considering himself that he is body, like cats and dogs. Therefore, they should be raised to the spiritual consciousness, that &#8220;You are not cats and dogs.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243736\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">You are Brahman. Just realize <em>aha\u1e41 brahm\u0101smi.<\/em>&#8221; This is <em>para-upak\u0101ra.<\/em> So we are doing that. We are awakening everyone. <em>Utti\u1e63\u1e6dha j\u0101grata pr\u0101pta-vara\u1e41 nibodhata<\/em> [<em>Ka\u1e6dha Upani\u1e63ad<\/em> 1.3.14] = &#8220;You have got now human being form of life. Now get up and make your life successful by spiritual realization.&#8221; This is our message. <em>Sarve sukhino bhavantu.<\/em> By spiritual realization everyone will become happy. Without spiritual realization, nobody can become happy. This is our mission.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243737\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243738\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So Indian caste <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47as,<\/em> they are against me. Against me. They come to fight with me that I am spoiling Hindu religion.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243739\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> [laughs] Well, you are a <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> yourself.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243740\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. I am now <em>sanny\u0101s\u012b.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243741\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> This is a statement of account from the Central Bank of India. It just arrived from London.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243742\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Oh.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243743\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[pause, opens letter]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243744\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Any other letter? No.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243745\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> That&#8217;s all. No.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243746\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So just see how we have translated. You are Sanskrit scholar.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243747\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You know the <em>Kali-santara\u1e47a Upani\u1e63ad,<\/em> naturally.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243748\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> <em>Kali-santara\u1e47a Upani\u1e63ad.<\/em> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243749\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, I have made a translation of it into French. It&#8217;s under print now at the present.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243750\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> <em>Kali-santara\u1e47a Upani\u1e63ad?<\/em> That is Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a <em>mantra.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243751\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yeah, that the Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a <em>mantra.<\/em> That&#8217;s the&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243752\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> You mentioned that to Professor Stahl in your correspondences.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243753\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243754\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> You mentioned that in the <em>Kali-santara\u1e47a Upani\u1e63ad<\/em> the Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a <em>mantra<\/em> is specifically recommended to counteract the contamination.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243755\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Now it is translated by you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243756\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243757\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> In French?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243758\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> In French, yes. I&#8217;ll send you a copy when it&#8217;s out of the press. It is not a fact at present. Well, I thank you very much for being kind enough&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243759\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> If you have questions, you shouldn&#8217;t feel shy. You can ask whatever you want.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243760\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, why not?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243761\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No. He has already questioned one, that I am making <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em>&#8212;whether it is according to <em>\u015b\u0101stra?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243762\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s the usual question. That&#8217;s not the first time this question has been asked to you. [laughs]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243763\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, it is&#8230; We do not do anything which is not in <em>\u015b\u0101stra.<\/em> So this <em>J\u0101b\u0101la Upani\u1e63ad,<\/em> this Satyak\u0101ma J\u0101b\u0101la, he went to Gautama Muni for initiation. So Gautama Muni asked him, &#8220;Who is your father?&#8221; He replied that he did not know. &#8220;So ask your mother.&#8221; The mother was asked also. She said, &#8220;No, I do not know.&#8221; He came to Gautama Muni and said that &#8220;My father&#8217;s name is neither known to my mother nor to me.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243764\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, yes. I know this story.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243765\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Then he accepted that &#8220;You are a <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a,<\/em>&#8221; because he is talking truth.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243766\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> The truth, <em>satyam.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243767\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> That is the sign.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243768\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> The sign. It&#8217;s a well-known story.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243769\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Therefore, by birth a <em>br\u0101hma\u1e47a<\/em> is not made. By character.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243770\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, I agree with that. And what about girls? Do you initiate girls? Or not?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243771\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Eh?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243772\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Do you initiate girls?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243773\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Oh, yes. So many girls. <em>Striyo \u015b\u016bdr\u0101s tath\u0101 vai\u015by\u0101s te &#8216;pi y\u0101nti par\u0101\u1e41 gatim.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243774\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243775\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> [aside:] Find out this verse, <em>m\u0101\u1e41 hi p\u0101rtha vyap\u0101\u015britya.<\/em> Give him, Pa\u1e47\u1e0dita Mah\u0101\u015baya.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243776\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-verse-text\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>m\u0101\u1e41 hi p\u0101rtha vyap\u0101\u015britya<br \/>\nye &#8216;pi syu\u1e25 p\u0101pa-yonaya\u1e25<br \/>\nstriyo vai\u015by\u0101s tath\u0101 \u015b\u016bdr\u0101s<br \/>\nte &#8216;pi y\u0101nti par\u0101\u1e41 gatim<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243777\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-reference\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/9\/32\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 9.32<\/a>]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243778\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Just like G\u0101rg\u012b and&#8230; Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243779\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. G\u0101rg\u012b. <em>Etad viditv\u0101 ya\u1e25 pray\u0101ti sa br\u0101hma\u1e47a\u1e25<\/em> [<em>Gargopani\u1e63ad<\/em>].<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243780\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> It&#8217;s rather remarkable if one takes into account the fact that most of us come from backgrounds which had nothing whatsoever to do with the standards of brahminical culture.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243781\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s right. Yes, but&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243782\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> We were&#8230;, we were steeped in all kinds of bad habits.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243783\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, according to Vedic injunction, the Westerners are <em>mlecchas, yavanas.<\/em> You know better than me.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243784\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> [laughs] Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243785\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So <em>p\u0101pa-yoni.<\/em> And therefore, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says&#8230; What does He say?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243786\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243787\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-verse-text\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>m\u0101\u1e41 hi p\u0101rtha vyap\u0101\u015britya<br \/>\nye &#8216;pi syu\u1e25 p\u0101pa-yonaya\u1e25<br \/>\nstriyo vai\u015by\u0101s tath\u0101 \u015b\u016bdr\u0101s<br \/>\nte &#8216;pi y\u0101nti par\u0101\u1e41 gatim<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243788\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-reference\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/9\/32\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 9.32<\/a>]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243789\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;O son of P\u1e5bth\u0101, those who take shelter in Me, although they be of lower birth&#8212;women, <em>vai\u015byas,<\/em> merchants, as well as <em>\u015b\u016bdras,<\/em> or workers&#8212;can approach the supreme destination.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243790\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243791\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> In another place, in <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/a>,<\/em> I think Second&#8230;, Second Canto&#8230; Find out this verse = <em>kir\u0101ta-h\u016b\u1e47\u0101ndhra-pulinda-pulka\u015b\u0101 \u0101bh\u012bra-\u015bumbh\u0101 yavan\u0101\u1e25 khas\u0101daya\u1e25 ye &#8216;nye ca p\u0101p\u0101 yad-ap\u0101\u015bray\u0101\u015bray\u0101\u1e25<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/2\/4\/18\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">SB 2.4.18<\/a>].<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243792\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Devotee:<\/b> Second volume.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243793\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> This one?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243794\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Devotee:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243795\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> <em>Kir\u0101ta-h\u016b\u1e47\u0101ndhra-pulinda-pulka\u015b\u0101&#8230;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243796\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> We publish these with nice indices.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243797\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, yes, yes. It is so strange to have an index. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243798\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Index, there is.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243799\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> <em>\u015aloka-s\u016bc\u012b.<\/em> Yes, there is index. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243800\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243801\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> <em>Kir\u0101ta-h\u016b\u1e47\u0101ndhra-pulinda-pulka\u015b\u0101 \u0101bh\u012bra-\u015bumbh\u0101 yavan\u0101\u1e25 khas\u0101daya\u1e25 ye &#8216;nye ca p\u0101p\u0101&#8230;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243802\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> The name <em>yavana,<\/em> is there.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243803\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> <em>&#8230;yad-ap\u0101\u015bray\u0101\u015bray\u0101\u1e25 \u015budhyanti tasmai prabhavi\u1e63\u1e47ave nama\u1e25<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/2\/4\/18\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">SB 2.4.18<\/a>]. Translation = &#8220;Kir\u0101ta, H\u016b\u1e47a, \u0100ndhra, Pulinda, Pulka\u015ba, \u0100bh\u012bra, \u015aumbha, Yavana, and the Khasa races, and even others who are addicted to sinful acts, can be purified by taking shelter of the devotees of the Lord due to His being the Supreme Power. I beg to offer my respectful obeisances unto Him.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243804\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> What is the purport?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243805\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> Uh. &#8220;<em>Kir\u0101ta:<\/em> A province of old Bh\u0101rata-var\u1e63a mentioned in the <em>Bh\u012b\u1e63ma-parva<\/em> of the <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata.<\/em> Generally the Kir\u0101tas are known as the aboriginal tribes of India. And in modern days the Santal Parganas in Bihar and Chota Nagpur might comprise the old province named Kir\u0101ta.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243806\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> They&#8217;re black.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243807\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> In &#8220;<em>H\u016b\u1e47a:<\/em> The area of East Germany and part of Russia is known as the province of the H\u016b\u1e47as. Accordingly, sometimes a kind of hill tribe is known as the H\u016b\u1e47as, the Huns.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243808\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Hoons.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243809\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> &#8220;<em>Andhra:<\/em> A province in Southern India mentioned in the <em>Bh\u012b\u1e63ma-parva<\/em> of <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata.<\/em> It is still extant under the same name.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243810\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;<em>Pulinda:<\/em> It is mentioned in <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata<\/em> that is the inhabitants of the province of the name Pulinda. This country was conquered by Bh\u012bmasena and Sahadeva. The Greeks are known as Pulindas, and it is mentioned in the <em>Vana-parva<\/em> of <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata<\/em> that the non-Vedic race of this part of the world would rule over the world. This Pulinda province was also one of the provinces of Bh\u0101rata, and the inhabitants were classified amongst the <em>k\u1e63atriya<\/em> kings. But later on, due to their giving up the brahminical culture, they were mentioned as <em>mlecchas,<\/em> just as those who are not followers of the Islamic culture are called <em>kafirs,<\/em> and those who are not followers of the Christian culture are called heathens.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243811\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;<em>\u0100bh\u012bra:<\/em> This name also appears in <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata,<\/em> both in the <em>Sabh\u0101-parva<\/em> and the <em>Bh\u012b\u1e63ma-parva.<\/em> It is mentioned that this province was situated on the river Sarasvat\u012b in Sind. The modern Sind province formerly extended on the other side of the Arabian Sea. All the inhabitants of that province were known as the \u0100bh\u012bras. They were under the domination of Mah\u0101r\u0101ja Yudhi\u1e63\u1e6dhira and, according to the statements of M\u0101rka\u1e47\u1e0deya, the <em>mlecchas<\/em> of this part of the world would also rule over Bh\u0101rata. Later on, this proved to be true, as it was proved in the case of the Pulindas.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243812\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">On behalf of the Pulindas, Alexander the Great conquered India, and on behalf of the \u0100bh\u012bras, Muhammad Ghori conquered India. These \u0100bh\u012bras were also formerly <em>k\u1e63atriyas<\/em> within the brahminical culture, but they gave up the connection. But the <em>k\u1e63atriyas<\/em> who were afraid of Para\u015bur\u0101ma and had hidden themselves in the Caucasian hilly regions later on became known as the \u0100bh\u012bras, and the place they inhabited was known as \u0100bh\u012brade\u015ba.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243813\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;<em>\u015aumbha,<\/em> or the&#8230;&#8221; [break]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243814\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> One <em>Yavana<\/em> fought with him, K\u0101layavana.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243815\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Because usually the Yavanas is considered as being Greeks.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243816\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Greeks.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243817\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243818\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243819\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Not Turks.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243820\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Turks and Greeks&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243821\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243822\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> What is the mention there?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243823\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> Turkey.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243824\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Hmm. Then?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243825\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> Then&#8230; &#8220;Another&#8230;&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243826\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> As far as I have searched out from <em>Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata&#8230;<\/em> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243827\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Pradyumna:<\/b> &#8220;The western Yavana joined with Duryodhana in the Battle of Kuruk\u1e63etra under the pressure of Kar\u1e47a. It is also foretold that these Yavanas&#8230;, that these Yavanas also would conquer India, and it proved to be true.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243828\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;<em>Khasadaya.<\/em>..&#8221; [break]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243829\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Now I understand exactly what the purpose of your movement is. I just wonder if you think the Western world is ready for this message?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243830\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, why not ready? So many young men are coming.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243831\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> So many, okay, yes, but consideration of so many other people outside this temple&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243832\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, any sane man will accept. This cult will not be accepted by the insane. One who is in quite order of the brain, he&#8217;ll accept it. Only <em>m\u016b\u1e0dhas.<\/em> That is stated in the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a> = na m\u0101\u1e41 du\u1e63k\u1e5btino m\u016b\u1e0dh\u0101\u1e25 prapadyante nar\u0101dham\u0101\u1e25<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/7\/15\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 7.15<\/a>].<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243833\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And in India, where is your <em>\u0101\u015brama<\/em> or something like that?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243834\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> My main <em>\u0101\u015brama<\/em> is in V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243835\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Where?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243836\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243837\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, in V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana itself.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243838\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. And M\u0101y\u0101pur. Lord Caitanya. And we have got branch in Calcutta, Bombay, Hyderabad, M\u0101y\u0101pur and V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana. Five&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243839\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[break] I, I brought with me forty rupees and few books. That&#8217;s all.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243840\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Forty rupees! That was not enough to live in Boston or in New York.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243841\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. And now we are spending about eighty thousand dollars per month.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243842\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Per month.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243843\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Throughout the whole world. But we are selling our books very nicely, about&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243844\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[aside:] How many, how much dollars?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243845\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> How many, how many <em>lakhs<\/em> of rupees of books per month, Pradyumna?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243846\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, no, daily&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243847\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> <em>Lakhs<\/em> of&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243848\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Daily we are collecting about thirty&#8230;, eight hundred&#8230; In, in, in Los Angeles we collect about eight hundred dollars daily.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243849\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> More than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243850\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> More than that. Eh?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243851\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> I think it must be about two thousand, about twenty thousand dollars a day, through the Society.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243852\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243853\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Just by selling books or&#8230;?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243854\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243855\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Just by selling books.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243856\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You must receive gifts as well.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243857\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No gifts. By selling books.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243858\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Why not?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243859\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> There are sometimes gifts.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243860\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243861\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Just like George Harrison has given us a house in London, Letchmore Heath. It is worth \u00a3220,000.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243862\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Over a half million dollars.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243863\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> <em>\u0100cch\u0101.<\/em> That&#8217;s good.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243864\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So you can come sometimes. No, you can stay there. It is very nice place. We have seventeen acres of land, open, with a lake. It is a royal palace.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243865\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243866\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. We are installing our Deity next 21st. So if you have time, I invite you. It is not far, London.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243867\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> London is not far for me. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243868\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243869\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> The 21st of September?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243870\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Twenty-first of August.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243871\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> August. Oh, I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243872\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> In a few days.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243873\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> It&#8217;s a big feast.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243874\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> So you are Sanskrit scholar. You can join with this movement and help us.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243875\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243876\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Because it is worldwide movement.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243877\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I cannot help you. That&#8217;s, that&#8217;s&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243878\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, you can help us.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243879\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s very strange.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243880\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Some of our students are trying to learn Sanskrit. You can help them.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243881\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Well, he knows very well Sanskrit. He pronounce it very well.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243882\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. He has learned out of his own accord, without taking help from anybody.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243883\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Really?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243884\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Whatever little help I give, that&#8217;s all.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243885\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> He knows how to chant the Sanskrit&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243886\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Oh, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243887\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> &#8230;verse.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243888\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Ah, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243889\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> So probably this comes from you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243890\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> But here in Paris we are also translating these books now into French.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243891\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Into French?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243892\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243893\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Many people are able to read it in English.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243894\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Oh, but for those who cannot read the English, there&#8217;s necessity in French.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243895\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Quite. Oh, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243896\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> For example, <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> we&#8217;re preparing now in French.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243897\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh? Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243898\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Give him some <em>pras\u0101dam.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243899\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> In France, I believe, the only version of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> that people know is Aurobindo&#8217;s translation.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243900\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, there are many others.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243901\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Many?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243902\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> There are many others.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243903\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> English?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243904\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, no. In French.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243905\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> In French.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243906\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>?<\/em> Yes. I think translated I think something like ten or twelve times.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243907\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Ten or twelve times in French?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243908\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243909\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> He says there are ten or twelve different French translations of the <em>G\u012bt\u0101.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243910\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243911\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> In English also there are&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243912\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, English, more than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243913\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243914\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> English, more than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243915\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> So now we wish to present the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> as it is.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243916\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> As it is.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243917\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Without interpretation. And, according to the trades manager of Macmillan Company, our book is topmost selling.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243918\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243919\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Than all other editions. Their report is. They, they print at a time fifty thousand copies. So three or four times they have already printed.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243920\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Really?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243921\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Since last August, within one year.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243922\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Wow. That&#8217;s a great success.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243923\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243924\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s good.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243925\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Now they are out of stock.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243926\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Out of stock? [laughs]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243927\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243928\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> So they will print it again, no?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243929\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> They will print it. They will supply in August or July, they said. They&#8217;ll supply. So it has come out very successful.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243930\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s good.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243931\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Just imagine, 200,000 copies distributed within one year.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243932\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> In one year. That&#8217;s very good.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243933\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And in America, our people go to <em>sa\u1e45k\u012brtana,<\/em> many gentlemen comes down, gets down from the car, inquires, &#8220;You have got Bhaktivedanta&#8217;s <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 As It Is<\/a>?<\/em>&#8221; They purchase like that. Yes. At least, they have become inquisitive on account of the word &#8220;As It Is.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243934\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> What?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243935\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> &#8220;As It Is.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243936\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, As It Is, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243937\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Because of the fact that our title is <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 As It Is<\/a>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243938\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> &#8220;<em>As It Is.&#8221;<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243939\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> &#8220;<em>As It Is.<\/em>&#8221; Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243940\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes. The French and to many other countries.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243941\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Because they have read different interpretations. Now they want to read as it is.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243942\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s fine. That is fine.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243943\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> What, what is your opinion about interpretation?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243944\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Well, it&#8217;s much better to have a commentary separated, not an interpretation given mixed with the translation. It is not to be&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243945\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> It is not good. No. Yes. We cite them&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243946\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> It has to be different.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243947\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, if you have got your own opinion, you can write your own book. But you cannot interpret on the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243948\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, that&#8217;s right. No. You are right.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243949\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Then the authority of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> is gone. But everyone is doing like that, even Dr. Radhakrishnan and others.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243950\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes. I already know&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243951\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Even Gandhi has done.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243952\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Gandhi also?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243953\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Gandhi, Mahatma Gandhi. He has also interpreted. He has interpreted, &#8220;This body&#8230; <em>Kuruk\u1e63etra<\/em> means this body.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243954\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> But he didn&#8217;t write it&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243955\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Well, it is not widely read, but this has become a fashion, to give his own interpretation. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243956\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yeah, that&#8217;s right, the fashion. That&#8217;s the word. That&#8217;s right.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243957\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> But K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a was not a so, I mean to say, ignorant that He left something to be interpreted later on by another rascal. No. That was not K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s intention. What K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, that is final. So we accept in that way. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, <em>man-man\u0101 bhava mad-bhakto mad-y\u0101j\u012b m\u0101\u1e41 namaskuru<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/18\/65\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 18.65<\/a>]. So we appeal to the people that &#8220;You think of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. You become a devotee of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243958\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">All these disciples, they have been taught like that. &#8220;You offer obeisances to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.&#8221; <em>Man-man\u0101 bhava mad-bhakto mad-y\u0101j\u012b.<\/em> &#8220;You worship K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.&#8221; That&#8217;s all. And by doing that, they are advancing. Advancing. And before me, for hundreds of years, or more than that, the <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> was known to the European and American countries&#8212;as you say, there are so many trans&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243959\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243960\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> But not a single soul became a devotee of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. There is no history. Yes. So far we know, that by reading <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>,<\/em> it is meant for making a person devotee of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. <em>Sarva-dharm\u0101n parityajya m\u0101m eka\u1e41 \u015bara\u1e47a\u1e41 vraja<\/em>[<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/18\/66\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 18.66<\/a>]. But before my coming here, so many <em>sv\u0101m\u012bs<\/em> came, and they preached on <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a>,<\/em> so many scholars came, but not a single soul became a pure devotee of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243961\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, because other&#8230; So, for instance, you have the Ramakrishna Mission&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243962\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> What the Ramakrishna Mission has done?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243963\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243964\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Ramakrishna Mission has done this = that they have learned to drink wine and eat meat, that&#8217;s all, from the Western countries. That&#8217;s all.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243965\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes. This is so.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243966\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. That is their contribution. And they have spoiled the Hindu culture.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243967\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh. Really?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243968\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Yes. Because Vivekananda said, &#8220;Oh, what is the harm there, in eating? You can eat whatever you like. It doesn&#8217;t matter in religion.&#8221; It was the first. And he himself was eating anything. So all the Ramakrishna mission <em>sanny\u0101s\u012bs<\/em> still, they are eating meat, egg and everything, especially in America. Yes. Fish is no consideration. That is daily affair. And the turkey&#8230; Yes. Instead of preaching here, they have taken the Western method. And Vivekananda&#8217;s preaching is like Western missionaries&#8212;open hospitals, school&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243969\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You are right, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243970\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. He had no spiritual knowledge. So therefore it has not been successful. They are preaching in the Western country&#8230; As far I know, in America they have got ten or twelve branches. I am working for the last six years only. I have got already fifty branches. And each branch, there are devotees like them, not less than twenty-five, up to two hundred, three hundred, all dedicated souls.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243971\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And what about Maharishi Mahesh Yogi?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243972\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> I don&#8217;t take account of these, because they are not standard.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243973\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243974\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> They are not standard. We are following <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/a><\/em> as it is, standard, and they have got their own manufactured way. So we don&#8217;t recognize them. Our process is, <em>eva\u1e41 parampar\u0101 pr\u0101ptam ima\u1e41 r\u0101jar\u1e63ayo vidu\u1e25<\/em> [<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/bg\/4\/2\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Bg. 4.2<\/a>]. <em>Parampar\u0101.<\/em> What K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a said, the disciplic succession will say the same thing. But they are speaking differently. So therefore we don&#8217;t take them as bona fide. They are not bona fide.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243975\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And from external point of view, we have got so many literatures, so many branches, so many devotees, within six years. But they haven&#8217;t got such thing. Even Ramakrishna Mission. They are working for the last eighty years, and I have worked only for six years. And my result is eighty times more than them. They also acknowledge.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243976\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> <em>Phalena paric\u012byate.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243977\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243978\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> <em>Phalena paric\u012byate.<\/em> Yes. And we shall&#8230; Our manuscript is ready for sixty volumes, but we are gradually publishing. Already we have got about twenty volumes, different kinds of literature. Yes. Show all the books. You have seen our books? No.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243979\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, not very well.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243980\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Show all the books. Bring. Bring him. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243981\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> These are nice paintings as well, you&#8217;ll find in here. Yes. All done by the devotees. Some <em>pras\u0101dam.<\/em> This <em>K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a<\/em>book is a summary study of the Tenth Canto <a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\"><em>Bh\u0101gavatam<\/em><\/a><em>,<\/em> the intimate pastimes of Lord K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243982\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And it is just two volumes or&#8230;?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243983\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Yes, two volumes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243984\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Just two volumes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243985\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Tenth Canto of <em><a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">\u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam<\/a>.<\/em> The other book is <em>Nectar of Devotion.<\/em> It is translation from <em>Bhakti-ras\u0101m\u1e5bta-sindhu<\/em> of R\u016bpa Gosv\u0101m\u012b.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243986\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> This is also a translation of it, or&#8230;?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243987\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Eh?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243988\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> It&#8217;s about that, or is it a translation.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243989\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> It is summary study.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243990\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Summary study.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243991\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Summary study, yeah. Well, the books are well printed and very well&#8230; I like books like this.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243992\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> This is summary study of <em>Caitanya-carit\u0101m\u1e5bta.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243993\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> We also have now the complete <em>Caitanya-carit\u0101m\u1e5bta<\/em> being printed by our own presses in New York City, with the original Bengali, and&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243994\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> We have got the manuscript printed? Not yet. No&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243995\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Such wonderful books&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243996\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, our books are selling nicely.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243997\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> [laughs] Well, I believe that. One&#8230; It&#8217;s nice to see that all these books around.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243998\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Two thousand, three thousand dollars daily.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb243999\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> More than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244000\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> More than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244001\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Much more than that.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244002\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta said twenty-thousand.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244003\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Twenty-thousand? Oh.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244004\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Yeah, we also have so many small books.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244005\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> These books are all by \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244006\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Later on they will write.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244007\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Eh?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244008\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Later on, they&#8217;ll write. Yes. For the time being, I am writing.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244009\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Each disciple writes one book.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244010\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244011\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And we are printing 100,000 of these small books at a time.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244012\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> One hundred thousand? Each of them, or&#8230;?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244013\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, each of them. And as soon as they brought books in <em>sa\u1e45k\u012brtana,<\/em> people take it immediately&#8212;&#8220;Give me one, give me one, give me one&#8230;&#8221; That&#8217;s&#8230; These books, we charge fifty cents. They pay easily.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244014\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I saw that in the streets of New York.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244015\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Oh, yes, you&#8217;ve seen the <em>sa\u1e45k\u012brtana<\/em> party?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244016\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No, I have not seen the temple, but I&#8217;ve seen&#8230;, last time I was in New York, I saw, just in front of the library, you know the library, on the Fifth Avenue&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244017\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> He has seen our <em>sa\u1e45k\u012brtana.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244018\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> He saw us on the Forty-second Street.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244019\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Not on Forty-second Street.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244020\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> By the library.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244021\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244022\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> Forty-second and Fifth Avenue.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244023\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Forty-second Street&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244024\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244025\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> &#8230;there is public library.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244026\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That was about Christmas time.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244027\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Christmas time.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244028\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244029\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Oh, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244030\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> It was very cold, standing around this&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244031\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244032\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Then they have to take us seriously. We&#8217;re there in the summer, and they think it is some kind of a festival, and then they see us&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244033\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> It is festival.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244034\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> &#8230;in the middle of winter, and they know we&#8217;re serious.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244035\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> It&#8217;s also a kind of festival at the same time, no?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244036\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> <em>Y\u0101tr\u0101.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244037\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8217;s festival.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244038\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244039\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You had a <em>y\u0101tr\u0101,<\/em> I guess, in San Francisco, didn&#8217;t you?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244040\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, Ratha-y\u0101tr\u0101. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244041\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That was for the first time in &#8217;68, I guess.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244042\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> This time I was present in the Ratha-y\u0101tr\u0101. Yesterday, they were showing me the film. It was very successful. Ten thousand people participated.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244043\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> In San Francisco, eh?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244044\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, in London.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244045\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> In London? When?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244046\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> This July 8th.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244047\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> This year?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244048\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244049\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>\u015arutak\u012brti:<\/b> Also Melbourne.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244050\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Melbourne. You have got those pictures, Melbourne?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244051\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244052\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You are not organizing a <em>y\u0101tr\u0101<\/em> in Paris?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244053\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, they&#8217;ll do.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244054\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Next year?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244055\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244056\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> We had a very little one in the Bois de Boulogne.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244057\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> That&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244058\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> Small Ratha-y\u0101tr\u0101. Next year at the Arch of Triumph.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244059\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Well. Wow, it must be something, a kind of happening.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244060\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And Ratha-y\u0101tr\u0101, when we hold Ratha-y\u0101tr\u0101, many thousands join. Without becoming our disciple, they chant and dance.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244061\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> But did you, did you build a <em>mah\u0101-ratha?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244062\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. I&#8217;ll show the pictures.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244063\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244064\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> It was published in, what is that, <em>Observer<\/em> paper?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244065\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>\u015arutak\u012brti:<\/b> Oh, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244066\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Yeah, the <em>Observer,<\/em> in London, the London <em>Observer.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244067\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> &#8220;Rival of Nelson.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244068\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> It said, &#8220;A rival to Nelson&#8217;s Column.&#8221; They showed a picture of the <em>ratha<\/em> next to the column of Nelson.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244069\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, really?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244070\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Yeah. Our car was bigger than&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244071\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And they published it, &#8220;Rival of Nelson. The great rival of Nelson.&#8221; They appreciated. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244072\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Sure, I know it.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244073\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Everyone, everyone appreciated. After Ratha-y\u0101tr\u0101, wherever our men went, they were received very well.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244074\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And what was the attitude of the Indian colony in London?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244075\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> I do not know what is Indian colony.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244076\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> There are many.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244077\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes, there are many.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244078\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>\u015arutak\u012brti:<\/b> Many come to the temple.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244079\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> These are some of the pictures in Melbourne.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244080\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Three carts like this.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244081\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> The big wheel. That&#8217;s nice.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244082\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> You can see. There it&#8217;s taking <em>pras\u0101dam,<\/em> serving <em>pras\u0101dam.<\/em> Everyone, so many devotees.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244083\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Were there color pictures, small?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244084\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Yeah, there&#8217;s a small&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244085\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>\u015arutak\u012brti:<\/b> This one here.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244086\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, the small&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244087\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>\u015arutak\u012brti:<\/b> No, oh, the small pictures.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244088\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> [indistinct] three carts.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244089\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, you got three different carts.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244090\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Ha\u1e41sad\u016bta:<\/b> Yeah, three carts.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244091\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Here is the gigantic <em>ratha<\/em> behind the crowd. The police cooperate.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244092\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244093\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Everyone likes. Yes. Even Christian priests, they also like. [professor laughs] No, any sane man will like, because&#8230; Somebody sends me money = &#8220;Sir, you are doing so nice work, spreading God consciousness. Here is my little contribution.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244094\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244095\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. From your, these Western countries. Just week before, I got hundred dollars from one gentleman. Simply appreciated that I am spreading God consciousness. So actually we have no program of proselytizing or making Hindu from Christian, Christian&#8230; We have no such program. We simply want to see that everyone is God conscious. Never mind through which venue he becomes a God conscious. It doesn&#8217;t matter. That is the verdict of <em>Bh\u0101gavata:<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244096\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-verse-text\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>sa vai pu\u1e41s\u0101\u1e41 paro dharmo<br \/>\nyato bhaktir adhok\u1e63aje<br \/>\nahaituky apratihat\u0101<br \/>\nyen\u0101tm\u0101 sampras\u012bdati<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244097\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-reference\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/1\/2\/6\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">SB 1.2.6<\/a>]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244098\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[aside:] Find out this verse. First, first&#8230; Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244099\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-verse-text\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>sa vai pu\u1e41s\u0101\u1e41 paro dharmo<br \/>\nyato bhaktir adhok\u1e63aje<br \/>\nahaituky apratihat\u0101<br \/>\nyen\u0101tm\u0101 sampras\u012bdati<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244100\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-reference\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[<a href=\"https:\/\/vedabase.io\/en\/library\/sb\/1\/2\/6\/\" rel=\"nofollow noopener\" target=\"_blank\">SB 1.2.6<\/a>]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244101\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">You read.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244102\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Guru-gaur\u0101\u1e45ga:<\/b> Translation = &#8220;The Supreme occupation, <em>dharma,<\/em> for all humanity is that by which men can attain to loving devotional service unto the transcendent Lord. Such devotional service must be unmotivated and uninterrupted in order to completely satisfy the self.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244103\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. That is self-satisfaction. <em>Yay\u0101tm\u0101 supras\u012bdati. Ahaituky apratihat\u0101.<\/em> So the <em>bhakti<\/em> cult is open for everyone. <em>Ahaituky apratihat\u0101.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244104\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yeah, but people following you, could, could they stay in normal life, I mean have a business, etcetera?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244105\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Why not? There are so many&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244106\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> [to Yoge\u015bvara] You, for instance, do you do that?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244107\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> He&#8217;s a householder. Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244108\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> You are still working?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244109\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> I design books and magazines.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244110\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Where? I mean, in connection with this Society?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244111\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> I do work for the Society.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244112\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> But is it possible to work outside?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244113\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Oh, yes. We have many professors. They&#8217;re being outside. But one thing is that after being interested in K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, they cannot remain outside.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244114\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> [laughs] That&#8217;s it. That&#8217;s the point, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244115\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Because they don&#8217;t find any suitable place.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244116\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> No.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244117\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> That is the difficulty.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244118\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes. But this gentleman told me that he is married, for instance.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244119\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> He is married. So we have got so many married couples.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244120\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Your wife is here?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244121\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244122\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> In the same Society?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244123\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244124\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> And in the same&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244125\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> She also translates.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244126\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> My wife translates, and I design the book.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244127\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> So do you think it is possible, for instance, to have the husband being involved in this movement and not his wife?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244128\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, wife also involved. Everyone is involved. The child is also involved. You&#8217;ll find in our class a small child dancing to the tune. Yes. We have opened our new school for children in Dallas. All the <em>g\u1e5bhastha-bhaktas,<\/em> those who have got children, we send there.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244129\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[aside:] Have you got pictures of Dallas?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244130\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So there we have got very nice building, and, about, for the present, about near about hundred students. They&#8217;re simply taught Sanskrit and English.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244131\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Nothing else.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244132\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Nothing else. Later on, little geometry, geography, mathematics. They&#8217;re not meant for outside work. They&#8217;re meant for as soon as they learn Sanskrit and English, they&#8217;ll read these books.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244133\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I see. But to get the initiation, you have to be how many years old?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244134\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> At least ten years.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244135\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Ten years.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244136\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. Ten to twelve years. That is the Vedic system. Twelve years old, he can be initiated.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244137\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, yes. It is the same as the <em>upanayana.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244138\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. <em>Upa<\/em> means &#8220;near,&#8221; and <em>nayanam,<\/em> &#8220;to bring.&#8221; <em>Upanayana-sa\u1e41sk\u0101ra.<\/em> And the sacred thread means that he has been accepted by the spiritual master by bringing him near to spiritual consciousness.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244139\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> So at the time of initiation, you not only give the <em>G\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra,<\/em> but also the sacred thread.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244140\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244141\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Oh, I see.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244142\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Just we have given <em>G\u0101yatr\u012b-mantra&#8230;<\/em> You have got that paper? Yes. Show him. Give him.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244143\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Can I take it with me?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244144\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244145\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> I&#8217;d like to read it. Well, I have been very pleased to be with you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244146\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Take <em>pras\u0101dam.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244147\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Thank you. [laughs] I may take just one, thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244148\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> No, take.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244149\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> More, I cannot take. It&#8217;s not possible. Thank you very much. [break]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244150\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> &#8230;K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, in His childhood. You have seen the picture, Lugdu Gop\u0101la.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244151\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244152\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Lugdu Gop\u0101la.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244153\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> We are therefore going to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8212;to taste <em>lugdu<\/em> with Him. <em>Lugdu, kachor\u012b&#8230;<\/em> From that <em>K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a<\/em> book&#8230; You can find out that picture.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244154\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Find the picture.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244155\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> How K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is enjoying <em>lugdu<\/em> with His friends.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244156\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244157\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> He&#8217;s taking lunch.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244158\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> Yes. They&#8217;re taking lunch, and Brahm\u0101 is playing trick.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244159\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> You know the story?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244160\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Of what?<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244161\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Yoge\u015bvara:<\/b> Lord Brahm\u0101 stole away all of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s cows and&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244162\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, yes, oh yeah, oh yeah, [indistinct].<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244163\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> And K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a again expanded Himself into so many cows, calves, friends. Then Brahm\u0101 thought that he is defeated.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244164\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-verse-text\"><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><em>\u0101nanda-cinmaya-rasa-pratibh\u0101vit\u0101bhis-<br \/>\nt\u0101bhir ya eva nija-r\u016bpatay\u0101 kal\u0101bhi\u1e25<br \/>\ngoloka eva nivasaty akhil\u0101tma-bh\u016bto<br \/>\ngovindam \u0101di-puru\u1e63a\u1e41 tam aha\u1e41 bhaj\u0101mi<\/em><\/span><\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244165\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-reference\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bs. 5.37]<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244166\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Yes, it&#8217;s time&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244167\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Prabhup\u0101da:<\/b> All right. Thank you.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<div id=\"bb244168\" class=\"r r-lang-en r-paragraph\">\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\"><b>Professor:<\/b> Thank you very much. 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