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\nMorning Walk<\/p>\n
Type: Walk
\nDate: March 27, 1974
\nLocation: Bombay
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\nDr. Patel: …first thing they did was the tower.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Why they could not make otherwise? Why like a bird?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): God only knows.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a knows.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a knows. He has imitated K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s plan. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a has made so many birds. So you cannot make any other size. That is the version of the Ved\u0101nta. Janm\u0101dy asya yata\u1e25 [SB 1.1.1]. The original idea is from K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. You simply, you can imitate. That’s all. Just like there are so many imitation birds. Similarly, everything is imitation. Everything is imitation.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Yes. In \u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavata you get so many stories wherein all devas and kinnaras, they come in their own planes and stand there with the planes. How could they stand with their planes down there?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is much improved. This is not so much improved.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: And in good old days when the planes were not in existence, the Westerners thought that these were all fairy stories.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That we are also thinking. “There is no K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. There is no [indistinct].” We are also thinking. [chuckles] Although we are big, big leaders, we are simply imitators of the Westerners. That’s all. Western people are our father and mother. That is our modern Indian… Now, Western people are drinking wine; now the government is drinking. Gandhi stopped it, but “No, the Western people do it.” Unless they drink wine, they cannot be very… They work…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Here they are all now alco…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So Western people, Western civilization has become the father and mother of India.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They idolize.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But they don’t drink so much, I think, these people.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: These boys in Western…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: They are now introducing. Now, when it is introduced, they’ll be accustomed. They’ll drink day and night. Don’t bother.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I have not got that experience. When I was a student in London University, the boys there, they drink, but not that much as they drink here. They are abusing it.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Every…, every few steps there is a wine shop.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Now, every few steps… No, you can have that in your own home here. You give the minister ten thousand rupees of bribes for a license to… [break] …serve in your home. That is…, it has been… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …four things which we are prohibiting = illicit sex…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Wine drinking, meat-eating.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes, intoxication, meat-eating and gambling. So these four things are encouraged by the government. Gambling, that, what is that? Lottery.<\/p>\n
Devotees: Maharashtrian Lottery.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And meat-eating = beef shop.<\/p>\n
Girir\u0101ja: M.A.S.K.O.[?]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Girir\u0101ja: The government has big meat distribution…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, they are…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And prostitution means contraceptive.<\/p>\n
Girir\u0101ja: Birth control.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Prostitution and illicit sex, illicit sex. [aside] Don’t touch me.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Who is the best, these contraceptives?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: The boys and the girls in the colleges.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: See. They’re encouraging, encouraging these things. So why they will like? Now… Therefore our position is that they want to drive us. The whole plan is they do not want this Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a movement to stay here.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: How can they drive you? I don’t agree with you on that…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no, they are trying their best. They wanted to break the temple and drive away.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They, temple they broke…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): [indistinct]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): But self-discipline alone is a… Nobody.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. That is the plan. And now no sanction of temple. That was the plea, that “It is temporary. It should be broken.” And when we asked for permanent approval, “No sanction.” This is clear.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Have you got the… Have you received the…, renewed the temporary permit.<\/p>\n
Girir\u0101ja: Well, we’ve applied.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Every year we have to apply.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Yes, every year it should be applied.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Just see.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is the law. I give this warning.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is the law of breaking temple. And when we want, that is the law, “No sanction.” [Hindi] This is our position. If we go forward, then we are culprit. And if we remain backward, then we are culprit. Both ways. [Hindi]\n
Dr. Patel: Yes. Now, cup of the sin of these people is now filling up, and Kalki-avat\u0101ra must come out. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …gentlemen. Otherwise, how they could reign for eight hundred years? At that time Hindus were very strong. They were rigid. And there were many native princes. Still, they ruled over India for eight hundred years. As soon as the Aurangzeb showed his bigotry, it was failed. Muslim… As they’re advertised, Muslims are not like that.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They were good to Bengal.<\/p>\n
M\u0101khanal\u0101l: They have very much reputation for violence…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. In V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana we have got. So all the Muslim emperors, they contributed.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But that way, in V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana you have got some signs that some of the Arabs have become saints, Hindu saints. Two or three Arabs, they have got very big tombs there in V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana. Arab saints. They came to Surat and then they, I mean… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …our calculation is if the Muslims were…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: So bad as that.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …so bad, then how they could rule for eight hundred years?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is right, but they were bad enough. They were…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Bad enough… Your, our so-called Hindus are worst enough.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That’s all right. But they were bad.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Because devotees of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: If they were bad enough, we are now worst enough. We are now introducing meat-eating and drinking and… We are worst.<\/p>\n
Devotee: Prabhup\u0101da, in the newspaper the other day it said that India government wants to start exporting beef.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Beef. Because they want to… Yes, you read it. They want to be…, slaughter the surplus cows because they are not yielding enough milk. There was very big article I read wherein they said that not only the milk is important, but the cow dung is as fertilizer in the fields much more than the modern day… [break] No? [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But why it is stated in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, go-rak\u1e63ya [Bg. 18.44]? Why not another animal rak\u1e63ya?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: B\u0101gha-rak\u1e63ya koro.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Why it is specially mentioned, go-br\u0101hma\u1e47a-hit\u0101ya?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They are doing b\u0101gha-rak\u1e63ya here, not go-rak\u1e63ya. All the tigers are getting much… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …crying like jackals, they are.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Yes.<\/p>\n
Devotee: You saw them, Dr. Patel?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Yes. I call them bh\u016bta-vat[?] This is bh\u016bta-vat. You know? [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …animals. Why like animals?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That’s right. Everyone is very much [indistinct] an animal excepting the human being… [break]\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: …Balavanta’s election campaign. After a fired-up speech by Balavanta, one lady called up and said, “Why do you keep referring to the American people as animals?” So she was so offended.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: She became violent. So all violent, they are animals. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: They are good.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They are good, and God is serving best. Last, last \u015bloka he recites from Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Ye… Su balo.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1):<\/p>\n
yatra yoge\u015bvara\u1e25 k\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47o
\nyatra p\u0101rtho dhanur-dhara\u1e25
\ntatra \u015br\u012br vijayo bh\u016btir
\ndhruv\u0101 n\u012btir matir mama
\n[Bg. 18.78]\n
Dr. Patel: They have got \u015br\u012b, bh\u016bti…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness movement has started from there. So they are very fortunate.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Otherwise… Last birth, they must have had the K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. Otherwise, they… In one year they… Not that actually, you see, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They have got \u015br\u012b, dhruv\u0101, n\u012bti…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, ima\u1e41 r\u0101jar\u1e63ayo vidu\u1e25 [Bg. 4.2]. Not the loafers, daridra-n\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. They have manufactured the rascal word “daridra-n\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a.” Daridra-n\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, this N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, that N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. Not pure N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. Mixing something—this N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, that N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): They must have something God, you see. Or they cannot be prosperous, whatever you may say.<\/p>\n
Satsvar\u016bpa: No, but Prabhup\u0101da, you explained we were experiencing all this prosperity like zeroes. Just so many zeroes.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. If they do not take seriously to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, then this prosperity will not exist.<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: It is already degrading.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, but really these people are, I mean, in their heart superior than others.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Because their method of working is more honest in a way. If they get money, we get jealous of them, because…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, they…, they are feeling nationally. They are feeling nationally. Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Even though it is a nation of hodgepodge people from Europe, but still they are…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So therefore they have said ‘United Nation.’<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Still, they are [indistinct].<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): United States.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: United States. Yes. [japa] [break]\n
Dr. Patel: …over-clever or whatever you may call, but the American would be outwitted by a Gujarati b\u0101\u1e47iy\u0101 if he has got the same money, same, I mean, freedom of business and same facility to work. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …the plan is to drive away the Gujaratis from Africa. [laughter] Yes. The Britishers are afraid. The Britishers are afraid that if the Indians, they are allowed to remain here, they will not be able to exploit the Africans.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: All Indians and all Gujarati b\u0101\u1e47iy\u0101s who settled in Africa, one and all are multi-millionaires.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. [break] …also.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But they have migrated to London now. They are very well… People from England…, I mean, Africa, especially East Africa, Kenya, Uganda… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …their own house in London. Every Indian. [break] Englishmen, they haven’t got their own house.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, Englishmen are very much afraid of business with… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …former purchaser, they sell to the higher bidders.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Yes. Very cunning. Very cunning people.<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: I think there is some complaint also here in Maharashtra, some plan not to give any more Gujaratis job. Just simply… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is good.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [heavy wind noise] And then so many, they… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …clean. Although there is no machine.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Because the sea comes here, right. Here is the water line, high water line, high tide.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And washes everything. That is God’s grace. Without machine, they keep it clean.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): Without taking any charge.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. [break] …same thing is happening here in a different edition, that’s all.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): All are nationalized. Only men and women can…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They’re also nationalized. Man is nationalized.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: We consider according to our position in this material world, “This is good,” “This is bad.” This is simply a mental concoction. Everything is bad. Only K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is good. You are criticizing Russians. Why do you…? What is the…, what is your state of…?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Russians are good people. They were a very good people. That is why… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …rascal… For some time, another rascal will come, another rascal…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Russians, technically, they are Russis. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …advertise, but do you know?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I know it.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: I know it very well.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. It’s a fact. I have read the history.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Well, you have read history; I have gone there personally.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Going there and reading history is something different. You have seen only at a particular time, but… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …I was on the airport, they called police because they got…, they saw one Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 in my bags. You see? This is the position.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They are, they are translating Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 in their own universities now. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …may be because it was Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, they stopped me.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: This is a phase of the government. The government is not the people. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …people everywhere good.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But the Russians are really good.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Only the… People everywhere, all over the world, they are all good. Only the leaders make them bad. That’s all. That is my opinion. Misleaders. Yad yad \u0101carati \u015bre\u1e63\u1e6dhas tat tad evetaro jana\u1e25 [Bg. 3.21]. The so-called \u015bre\u1e63\u1e6dha, leaders, they… Just like in India. When Gandhi was there it was prohibition, and now there is wine shop every step. It is due to the leaders. People… People, what the innocent people, what they’ll do?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: You are talking of this, but I am the knower of the private character of so many [indistinct].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Why you know? Everyone knows.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They have got so many women outside, and some of them want every day new one. All sorts of rascals they are. [break] Raja should rule, and not these…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Asa\u1e41sk\u1e5bt\u0101\u1e25 kriy\u0101-h\u012bn\u0101\u1e25 [SB 12.1.40].<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [indistinct]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Everyone, all people, not only the ministers.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But yad yad \u0101carati \u015bre\u1e63\u1e6dhas tat tad itaro jana\u1e25 [Bg. 3.21].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. And they have become \u015bre\u1e63\u1e6dha. Andh\u0101 yath\u0101ndhair upan\u012byam\u0101n\u0101\u1e25 [SB 7.5.31]. Blind men have become the leader of the blind men. That is the difficulty. And if you want to open their eyes, they will say, “No sanction for temple. Get out.” Murkhayopade\u1e63o hi prokap\u0101ya na \u015b\u0101ntaye. This is the position.<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: It’s an excellent preaching point, Prabhup\u0101da.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: Christianity was taught to the publicans and the beggars, but K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a taught originally bhakti-yoga to the kings.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. Because they were cultured.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: According to the Upani\u1e63ads, you know, actually the brahma-vidy\u0101 was with the k\u1e63atriyas. And how could a br\u0101hma\u1e47a boy come to k\u1e63atriya to learn it? “But still, my boys, you have come and I will teach you.” That is what we have seen, that in one of the… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …there is no k\u1e63atriya, no br\u0101hma\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Common denominator. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: [aside:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. What is this?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): [indistinct]\n
Dr. Patel: Here the same thing. There are part of an ideal.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. When the young men, young women, as they meet, there is possibility, sex.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is there in Swaminarayan’s samprad\u0101ya. If you go to temple, a sanny\u0101s\u012b you can’t see, but the people from sa\u1e41s\u0101r\u012bs, sa\u1e41s\u0101r\u012bs, they can… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But the men come from women.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That’s right. But here we are talking of that.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So if they are…, women are extricated, then where the Swaminarayan’s devotees will come from?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: And if they come from homes, not from the temple.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But home means that is from a woman.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But there, there, in the home, woman is there…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That’s all right. You cannot stop…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: You are disagree… I can argue that way. Then you get annoyed to me. Then you call me big m\u016b\u1e0dha.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. Why you…, why one should hate so much woman?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: We don’t hate. We want to protect you from sex.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is… Not to, not to see face, not to…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Because woman is the embodiment.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: You should be trained up.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Woman is the embodiment of m\u0101y\u0101.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Vik\u0101ra… In spite of woman, you’ll not be agitated. That training required.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: You… Now, now, that training is very difficult to get. I am very sorry to say that.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. No, no. That training is there. We are…, we are training in that way.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: You must, you must have, I mean, a sort of a… You see, between the objects and indriyas…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Then according to Swaminarayan’s principles, I am a fallen.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, no, no, sir.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Because I am always surrounded by young girls.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, no, that is… Swaminarayan was sitting with the women, but the s\u0101dhus…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Then why you said…? Don’t you see…?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Listen, you are arguing in such a way that there will be a flash between us two.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. People should be trained up in such a way that in spite of woman you should not be agitated. That is. That is.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Our religion… [break] …and that these boys… [break]\n
Dr. Patel: S\u0101dhus, not sanny\u0101s\u012bs. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: In European countries… In European countries, if you restrict in that way, that will be fanaticism.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is what I am telling you. It should not be done immediately like that. [break] …it must be trained, and it will take a long time.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Why Europe? Nowadays, here also. That is not possible.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): It is not… It is not possible.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: It is simply utopian, utopian.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is all right. It is not possible. So you are doing like this. When it was possible…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: We are, we are training that… Never mind. That is the training of C\u0101\u1e47akya Pa\u1e47\u1e0dita. M\u0101t\u1e5bvat para-d\u0101re\u1e63u. The women may be thousands, but you see them as your mother. That’s it.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That’s all… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: If you must become agitated even by seeing mother, then what can be done?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): No, no, that should not be done.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Then you are a khara, go-khara.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Monkey.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): No, but, I mean, a [Hindi] they don’t see their own wife even. Goswami was telling that please don’t keep a meeting there…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. No, no.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): …because my wife is staying there. Because Prabhup\u0101da has also created something, good thing. [break]\n
Dr. Patel: I’m very sorry that… You have misunderstood me. I said this is the strict injunctions. He did it under a command, but that…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But this cannot be carried.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: And then people were so…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: If you make some injunction which is impossible to carry…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Now! K\u0101la-dharma. That was a different k\u0101la. That was a different time. Now they have also made some, so many… [break]\n
Indian man (1): …they talk also, Emergency, they talk also. In the Emergency Room, they talk also with the ladies. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …still going on.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Much more than…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Due to introduction of Sadananda’s principles, the debauchery has not reduced. It has increased. So that is a failure.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): The more we try to stop, it is increasing.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is the principle. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is the injunction, that is in \u015b\u0101stra:<\/p>\n
m\u0101tr\u0101 svasr\u0101 duhitr\u0101 v\u0101
\nna vivikt\u0101sano bhavet
\nbalav\u0101n indriya-gr\u0101mo
\nvidv\u0101\u1e41sam api kar\u1e63ati
\n[SB 9.19.17]\n
Mother, sister, daughter. Even with them one should not… In solitary.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is it. In solitary.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is what Swaminarayan says. He says from the same Manu-sm\u1e5bti. [Hindi] [breaks]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …seven years. [aside:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [talking constantly in background to somebody else] And these boys are very good students because they are… [break] …this dating business. I hate this word “date” itself. Eh?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Well, this hating… You hate for something, he hates for something else. That is going on.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But this dating… That is why I to… I mean, I did not see my wife before I married her. And we were very happy all the life. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is not happening nowadays. Now, when… One girl is visited many times, and she becomes pregnant, then marriage takes place.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Then only…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): By force you marry.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: [laughs] Otherwise, there is no marriage.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Now they are, these [indistinct] and places they call this the modern day… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …of the same quality.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is the now. That is how.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: How the mother can do that? Birds of the same feather.<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: It’s predicted like that in the Bh\u0101gavata.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): But the vibrations of these boys, what… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …done? Therefore we have got the Dallas school.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): I mean the Indian method of arranging marriage by the parents is the best. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: I have got them married. Although I am not their parents, I asked that “You marry this.” They accepted.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is the right way.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. [break] Jagat… Jagat-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b.<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: What is the name, Jagat-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b?<\/p>\n
Vi\u015b\u0101kh\u0101: D\u012bna-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no, Jagat-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b?<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: Jagat-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b, yes.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Who…<\/p>\n
Bhava-bh\u016bti: And Bh\u016brijana.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: He married Jagat-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b. She was a famous artist. So she came to me to surrender, that “I shall become your disciple.”<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That paintings which was…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): She was painting in that film?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. She is another girl. She’s Jadur\u0101\u1e47\u012b. So this Jagat-t\u0101ri\u1e47\u012b, after some days, I asked her that “You go to Japan. There is my disciple, Bh\u016brijana. You go and marry him.” So she did not see the boy, did not know anything about. And she was very rich. Still, on my order, she went to Japan and married that boy.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): Is she unhappy?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): Very happy.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That’s guru-vacana.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, no. That guru and… Gurudeva… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. I did not like my wife. Still, I had to marry her. [laughter]\n
Dr. Patel: And you had not bad days all your life? Or you were quarreling? I am sorry to intrude.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Were you?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: So you are quarrelsome even now. [laughter]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: My wife… I admit she’s very nice lady. But I did not like her. [laughs] [break] …if he becomes so, he cannot become Aurobindo Ghosh. If he becomes attached to the wife up to the point of death, he never becomes Aurobindo Ghosh.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Tulasi Das, also, the same thing happened. No? Everywhere…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I was attached to my wife. And I used to quarrel every day.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Quarreling between husband and wife, that is natural. That is explained in the C\u0101\u1e47akya Pa\u1e47\u1e0dita = dam-patye kalahe caiva bambh\u0101rambhe laghu kriy\u0101. The quarreling will be very humbug, big, but the result will be nothing.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Nothing. These American boys, they quarrel with their wives. The next day…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Because there is no…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): They will immediately quarrel.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. Here, because the Hindu… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …quarrel, my wife never thought of any other man; neither I thought of any other woman.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Why? Because of the background.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Although we fought, but there was no such thing. [break] Fighting is natural. This is fight of love. This is not fighting. Therefore C\u0101\u1e47akya Pa\u1e47\u1e0dita has said, “Neglect this fighting. Don’t take it seriously.” Dam-patye kalahe bambh\u0101rambhe laghu kriy\u0101. This should not be… Quarrel between husband and wife should not be taken seriously. Let them fight. It will stop automatically. That’s all.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: He said, now we have… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …wasting time in social… Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: In wasting time in gr\u0101mya-kath\u0101.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Gr\u0101mya-v\u0101rtt\u0101.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Very good. It is a good suggestion. We should utilize the time for spiritual advancement.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [Hindi] Even sometimes… We already discussed. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …discussion on any \u015bloka. Let us discuss.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Eh? Bolo. Chandobhai? Chandobhai knows the whole Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 by heart.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is very nice.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: He knows it by heart.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I can’t… I can’t remember. I, I, I sometimes remember, but he remembers perpetually. Eh?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So. What is that?<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: \u012a\u015bvara\u1e25 sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 h\u1e5bd-de\u015be ti\u1e63\u1e6dhati arjuna [Bg. 18.61]. Let us say that only.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh? What is that?<\/p>\n
Chandobhai:<\/p>\n
\u012b\u015bvara\u1e25 sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101n\u0101\u1e41
\nh\u1e5bd-de\u015be ‘rjuna ti\u1e63\u1e6dhati
\nbhr\u0101mayan sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101ni
\nyantr\u0101r\u016b\u1e0dh\u0101ni m\u0101yay\u0101
\n[Bg. 18.61]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Tam eva \u015bara\u1e47a\u1e41 gaccha sarva-bh\u0101vena bh\u0101rata…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: …tat pras\u0101d\u0101t par\u0101\u1e41 \u015b\u0101nti\u1e41 sth\u0101na\u1e41 pr\u0101psyasi \u015b\u0101\u015bvatam [Bg. 18.62].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: I think that is the crux of the whole thing.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. So \u012b\u015bvara… That…, this, this, I was discussing the other day. Bh\u016bt\u0101n\u0101m \u012b\u015bvaro ‘pi san. \u012a\u015bvara. Bh\u016bt\u0101n\u0101m \u012b\u015bvaro ‘pi sann avyay\u0101tm\u0101 [Bg. 4.6]. So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is always \u012b\u015bvara. We are \u012b\u015bvara in the family or in the office or in my society, but we are not that type of \u012b\u015bvara that I can live within the heart of everyone. Therefore there is distinction between this \u012b\u015bvara and we \u012b\u015bvara. The M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012bs, they do not understand this. He claims that “I am the same \u012b\u015bvara.” But do you remain in everyone’s heart? Can you study…, can you study what I am thinking now? But still, they will say, “I am the same.” This is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b philosophy’s defect.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Difference.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, this is defect. They do not understand their incapability, and still, they claim, “I am the same, one, so ‘ham.” This is their deficiency. Here is the de… = \u012b\u015bvara\u1e25 sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 h\u1e5bd-de\u015be… [Bg. 18.61]. Do you stay… Can you stay… Can you say what I am thinking now? Then why you are claiming that \u012b\u015bvara? You are a rascal. Why you are claiming? [aside:] Namask\u0101ra. And \u012b\u015bvara, \u012b\u015bvara means he knows… That is also described in Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. What is that?<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: H\u1e5bd-de\u015be…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. K\u1e63etraj\u00f1a, k\u1e63etraj\u00f1a.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: K\u1e63etra-j\u00f1a\u1e41 c\u0101pi m\u0101\u1e41 viddhi sarva-k\u1e63etre\u1e63u bh\u0101rata.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Ah.<\/p>\n
k\u1e63etra-j\u00f1a\u1e41 c\u0101pi m\u0101\u1e41 viddhi
\nsarva-k\u1e63etre\u1e63u bh\u0101rata
\n[Bg. 13.3]\n
K\u1e63etra-k\u1e63etraj\u00f1a-j\u00f1\u0101nam. K\u1e63etra means this body, and k\u1e63etraj\u00f1a means one who knows. K\u1e63etraj\u00f1a. Now, you know the pains and pleasure of your body. I know the pains and pleasure of my body. But I do not know the pains and pleasure of your body.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: And the Lord knows the pains and pleasures of everybody.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Therefore He says, k\u1e63etra-j\u00f1a\u1e41 c\u0101pi m\u0101\u1e41 viddhi sarva-k\u1e63etre\u1e63u bh\u0101rata. That is the difference. But the M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b will not accept this.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: K\u1e63etra-k\u1e63etraj\u00f1ayor j\u00f1\u0101na\u1e41 tad j\u00f1\u0101nam…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is j\u00f1\u0101nam. They are in aj\u00f1\u0101na, still, they are claiming that “We are j\u00f1\u0101n\u012b.” You see? This is the defect.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Aham \u0101tm\u0101 gu\u1e0d\u0101ke\u015ba sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101\u015baya-sthita\u1e25 [Bg. 10.20].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da:<\/p>\n
prak\u1e5bte\u1e25 kriyam\u0101\u1e47\u0101ni
\ngu\u1e47ai\u1e25 karm\u0101\u1e47i sarva\u015ba\u1e25
\naha\u1e45k\u0101ra-vim\u016b\u1e0dh\u0101tm\u0101
\nkart\u0101ham iti manyate
\n[Bg. 3.27]\n
You see? He’s thinking falsely that he’s kart\u0101, he’s God, he is \u012b\u015bvara.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: He cannot be \u012b\u015bvara.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is…<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: \u012a\u015bvara is one only.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: There cannot be two \u012b\u015bvaras.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And, and, not only that. Bhr\u0101mayan sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101ni [Bg. 18.61]. He’s managing the business of all living entities. Bhr\u0101mayan sarva-bh\u016bt\u0101ni yantr\u0101r\u016b\u1e0dh\u0101ni m\u0101yay\u0101. That I was explaining the other day. Just see K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s business, that He is situated in everyone’s heart, and He’s giving direction and managing all His affairs. And there are unlimited millions and tril… Not millions either. Unlimited. Without any number. He has to manage them. So how much busy He is. And that is… How is being done? Ek\u0101\u1e41\u015bena sthito jagat [Bg. 10.42].<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Ek\u0101\u1e41\u015bena. His only one part of…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Only, only a part. That is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. And these rascals thinking, “Oh, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is as good as I am.” Just see. The M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b rascals, they think like that, that “I am as good as K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.” “K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a played r\u0101sa-l\u012bl\u0101. Therefore I shall do.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: These M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012bs… M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b is one who thinks himself to be all in all.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Means rascal number one. “All in all, I am one,” that is…, means rascal number one.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: How do you explain aha\u1e41 brahm\u0101smi?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: You are by quality Brahman, spirit.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But not quantity as well.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. Quantity… Just like if you take a drop of water of this… If the drop says, “I am the ocean,” what is this nonsense? You are drop of water.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: You are part of the ocean.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Mamaiv\u0101\u1e41\u015bo j\u012bva-bh\u016bta\u1e25 [Bg. 15.7]. That’s right. That is nice.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Mamaiv\u0101\u1e41\u015bo j\u012bva-bh\u016bte, mamaiv\u0101\u1e41\u015bo j\u012bva-loke, j\u012bva-loke…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: J\u012bva-bh\u016bta\u1e25 san\u0101tana\u1e25 [Bg. 15.7].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Mana\u1e25 \u1e63a\u1e63\u1e6dh\u0101ni indriy\u0101\u1e47i…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So that the M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012bs do not know. “Why a\u1e41\u015ba? I am the same. I am the whole.” Mana\u1e25 \u1e63a\u1e63\u1e6dh\u0101n\u012bndriy\u0101\u1e47i prak\u1e5bti-sth\u0101ni kar\u1e63ati [Bg. 15.7]. Therefore they are rotting in this material world, hard struggle for existence.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: \u015aar\u012bra\u1e41 yad av\u0101pnoti yac c\u0101py utkr\u0101mat\u012b\u015bvara\u1e25… [Bg. 15.8]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Ah. And that is going on, transmigration.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: …g\u1e5bh\u012btvait\u0101ni sa\u1e41y\u0101ti v\u0101yur gandh\u0101n iv\u0101\u015bay\u0101t. How the body goes away.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. According…, according to the quality or the modes of nature, he has to change his body. This M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da philosophy has made the whole world atheist. They don’t believe in God.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I think this, what do you call, M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da philosophy is not… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b was introduced…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: By Buddha.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …by \u015aa\u1e45kara.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: \u015aa\u1e45kara and Jains mostly.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Jains are, they are… They don’t believe in God. Jains are… Their soul is as long as their body. If that leg is cut, the soul’s leg is cut.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. Without…, without going to other philosophy, best thing is to stick to your own philosophy and try to understand.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Yes, that is the best thing.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is the best thing.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Then you’ll understand all the philosophies.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So you take the essence of all philosophies, Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Extract of every \u015b\u0101stra is Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Not only that, you must speak your own philosophy.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Ultimately, the goal is one, you see.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: How you explain:<\/p>\n
\u016brdhva-m\u016blam adhah-\u015b\u0101kham
\na\u015bvattha\u1e41 pr\u0101hur avyayam
\nchand\u0101\u1e41si yasya par\u1e47\u0101ni
\nyas ta\u1e41 veda sa veda-vit
\n[Bg. 15.1]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: \u016ardhva-m\u016blam adhah-\u015b\u0101kham. Have you got any experience, \u016brdhva-m\u016blam adhah-\u015b\u0101kham? Have you got any experience? The root is upside and the branches and the twigs downside.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: In the shadow in the pond.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is in rivers. But it’s in the shadow.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. So therefore this reality is there which is up. And this is shadow.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That’s it.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): [indistinct]\n
Dr. Patel: No, he has… I mean, delivered. I was not able to understand for many years these things. \u016ardhva-m\u016blam… [break] …and this illusionary shadow is…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: This is maintained by Vedic injunction. Just like people are very much attached to fruitive activities. They are attached to that. They do not want to go beyond. The karm\u012bs. Karm\u012bs, their whole ambition is how to go to these heavenly planet. He does not know that what is the benefit of going to the heavenly planet. He does not know. Therefore he is amazed by the chand\u0101\u1e41si, Vedic chand\u0101\u1e41si. Y\u0101m im\u0101\u1e41 pu\u1e63pit\u0101\u1e41 v\u0101cam [Bg. 2.42], veda-v\u0101dina\u1e25. So they are especially attached to these Vedic…<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Injunctions of action.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Fruitive activities. They do not accept this = \u0101-brahma-bhuvan\u0101l lok\u0101\u1e25 punar \u0101vartino ‘rjuna [Bg. 8.16]. They’ll not. “No, no. We shall go to…” Just like these rascals are going to the Candraloka. Candraloka. [laughter]\n
Dr. Patel: They are rascals. [laughs]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Now other rascals supporting them = “Oh, now we are…” [laughter]\n
Dr. Patel: The Americans rascals are going there.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, many other rascals are going also. And Indian rascals are supporting that = “Oh, now science is so advanced. Now there is no question of this Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Now we have to go to the moon planet.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That, that… I told you that story? Those astronauts who have gone on… [break] I have read it.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: The astronautics…<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: It is so said like that. The astronauts, they were all talking of philosophy only and nothing else, after coming from moon.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: The astronautics… That Russian… Even Nehru went to receive. Just see, such a rascal minister we have, an astronaut is to be received. Eh, come on… [break]\n
Dr. Patel: All astronauts…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …he was received by Nehru? Eh?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Might have. All astronauts, they have got no sex desire. All of them. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …still asiddha.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Sex.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So do you mean to say by avoiding sex life one becomes siddha?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is what they do, but that is what…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is your standard?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: …as far as sex is concerned, they are siddhas.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Then impotents are all siddhas. [laughter] All the impotent persons, they’re all siddhas.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is, in a way, they are.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That’s all right.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Ni\u1e25sp\u1e5bha-cetana\u1e41 jagat…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): No, those have controlled their sex [indistinct] are…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. Siddhas means in spite of agitation, he’s not agitated. That is siddha. That is siddha.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But in spite of agitation of their wives, they are not agitated.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: It is simply forceful negation.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But in spite of their wives’ agitation, they are not agitated.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no, that… No, you are calling them siddhas. Therefore I am telling you, then impotents are siddhas.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Then what should we call them?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh? No, they are little advanced, that’s all. You can say that. [break] …facility, they are…, they have become little advanced.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Candra is the lord of mind, and… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That’s all right. Still, he was Candra. He was given the post of Candra. You were not given. You were not given.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is what I say.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. So that siddha is different thing.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Candradevi is the wife of guru. He was a rascal.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Siddha is different thing. But why they are given post? Just like the government post is given to the qualified man. It doesn’t matter whether…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Candra must be a very vigorous fellow. All the [indistinct]. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …described in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Api cet sudur\u0101c\u0101ro bhajate m\u0101m ananya-bh\u0101k, s\u0101dhur eva sa… That is siddha. That is siddha. All rascals. This is siddha. Api cet sudur\u0101c\u0101ra\u1e25. Because he’s sticking to this principle, that “K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is my everything,” s\u0101dhur eva sa mantavya\u1e25 [Bg. 9.30]. That is s\u0101dhu [break] …real things are not… And, and the next verse says, \u015ba\u015bvad bhavati dharm\u0101tm\u0101 [Bg. 9.31]. Because he has taken to this principle, other good qualities will soon come there. Don’t bother. But first thing is that he has taken that “K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is my life.” Ananya-bh\u0101k. Then everything will come. Yasy\u0101sti bhaktir bhagavaty aki\u00f1can\u0101 sarvair gu\u1e47ais tatra sam\u0101sate sur\u0101\u1e25 [SB 5.18.12]. This is wanted. That is siddhi. Sa\u1e41siddhi\u1e41 param\u0101\u1e41 gat\u0101\u1e25.<\/p>\n
m\u0101m upetya kaunteya
\ndu\u1e25kh\u0101layam a\u015b\u0101\u015bvatam
\nn\u0101pnuvanti mah\u0101tm\u0101na\u1e25
\nsa\u1e41siddhi\u1e41 param\u0101\u1e41 gat\u0101\u1e25
\n[Bg. 8.15]\n
This is… One who has captured K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, he has got siddhi. Sa\u1e41siddhi\u1e41 param\u0101m. The highest perfection he has attained. That is wanted. Har\u0101v abhaktasya kuto… [SB 5.18.12]. If… One may be reluctant to sex life for a few days. Then again he’ll do that. Because he has no shelter. \u0100ruhya k\u1e5bcchre\u1e47a param… Even they go to the Brahmaloka, they come down. \u0100ruhya k\u1e5bcchre\u1e47a param. K\u1e5bcchra, very severe austerities. They rise up to the br\u0101hma\u1e47a\u1e25 padav\u012b[?], and again fall down. Because they have no shelter. So all these siddhis are simply temporary. It has no meaning. It has no value. Bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n m\u0101\u1e41 prapadyate [Bg. 7.19]. So these siddhas will take many, many births to come to the point of surrendering to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. You see? Bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): In between they start showing so many things.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. And in the meantime they may fall down and go to hell.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Yes, that is how it is.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. [break] …simply surrender to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, his so-called siddhas and these are…, they are bogus. [break] “Oh, he has got so much Vedic knowledge.” No. M\u0101yay\u0101pah\u1e5bta-j\u00f1\u0101na. Even though he appears to have so much knowledge, his real knowledge has been taken away by m\u0101y\u0101.<\/p>\n
Chandobhai: Yes, “If I sincerely love You, You will reveal Yourself to me.”<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. [break] …Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 in the Seventh Chapter:<\/p>\n
na m\u0101\u1e41 du\u1e63k\u1e5btino m\u016b\u1e0dh\u0101\u1e25
\nprapadyante nar\u0101dham\u0101\u1e25
\nm\u0101yay\u0101pah\u1e5bta-j\u00f1\u0101n\u0101
\n\u0101sura\u1e41 bh\u0101vam \u0101\u015brit\u0101\u1e25
\n[Bg. 7.15]\n
Catur-vidh\u0101 bhajante m\u0101\u1e41 suk\u1e5bti… Unless one is pious, one cannot come to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. [break] …I say, bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n m\u0101m… [Bg. 7.19]. That, that surrender is perfect because he has known everything. Then he’s surrendering.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: J\u00f1\u0101nena hatv\u0101…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is j\u00f1\u0101na. That j\u00f1\u0101na.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Me… A\u1e41\u015ba… What is that? [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …that is, of course, studying Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, but their main business is to carry out the orders of their spiritual master. That is first business. Otherwise simply quoting for lives together, they’ll never come to…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47aloka.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Like us.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Eh?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Like us. [laughter] You wanted to speak like that…[break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: [aside:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Jaya. Good father, mother, who has begotten a child like you.<\/p>\n
Ya\u015bomat\u012bnandana: I’m just a rogue. You are my real father.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Pit\u0101 na sa sy\u0101t. [Hindi] Pit\u0101 na sa sy\u0101t na mocayed ya\u1e25 samupeta-m\u1e5btyum [SB 5.5.18]. Pit\u0101, father, must be…, he must be father who can deliver his son from the impending death. So one can avoid this repetition of birth and death only becoming K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a conscious. So any father who gives chance to his children to become K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a conscious, he’s real father. Pit\u0101 na sa sy\u0101j janan\u012b na s\u0101 sy\u0101t… na mocayed ya\u1e25 samupeta-m\u1e5btyum.<\/p>\n[break] …there is a verse:<\/p>\n
janame janame sabe pit\u0101-m\u0101t\u0101 p\u0101ya
\nk\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-guru n\u0101hi mile bhaja ei bh\u0101i
\n[Prema-vivarta]\n
In every birth one can get father and mother, but to get the spiritual master and K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, that is not possible in every birth. That is only possible in this human form. The cats and dogs, they have got their father and mother. Therefore if we become father, mother like cats and dogs, there is no need of such… K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-guru n\u0101hi mile bhaja… The father helps the children to achieve K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a and guru, that is real father. [break] …they avoid that trap, they avoid association of women. But these women are not ordinary women. They are preachers. They are preachers. They are Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava. By their association, one becomes a Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava.<\/p>\n[k\u012brtana welcoming Prabhup\u0101da] [end]\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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