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\nDate: March 24, 1974
\nLocation: Bombay
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\nPrabhup\u0101da: Sa vai mana\u1e25 k\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-pad\u0101ravindayor vac\u0101\u1e41si vaiku\u1e47\u1e6dha-gu\u1e47\u0101nuvar\u1e47ane [SB 9.4.18]. This is… Different parts of our senses should be utilized. The first business is to fix up the mind at the lotus feet of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Then engage the tongue in describing the activities of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Therefore K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a has acted in so many ways so that we can remember the history of the activities of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a and describe it. Vac\u0101\u1e41si vaiku\u1e47\u1e6dha-gu\u1e47\u0101nuvar\u1e47ane. Then the legs should be used for going to the temple. Hands should be used for cleansing the temple. Nose should be used for smelling the flowers offered to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Ears should be used for hearing about K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. In this way if we engage our senses in different activities relating to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, that is success of life. This is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, vac\u0101\u1e41si vaiku\u1e47\u1e6dha-gu\u1e47\u0101nuvar\u1e47ane. [Hindi] So now you can talk. [laughs] [laughter] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. [Hindi] [break] …practical purposes. This land and that water is matter, but we are walking on the land. Can you walk on the water?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Who is walking?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Huh? You are walking, I am walking.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Our body is walking.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So, so long you are…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Body is matter.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …in the body, so we have to behave duality. [laughter] You cannot say oneness. When you are liberated from the body, that is another thing. For practical purposes… This philosophy was discussed by the mother of \u015ar\u012b Caitanya Mah\u0101prabhu when He was a child. This philosophy. Caitanya Mah\u0101prabhu was given very nice sweetmeats to eat. So instead of eating the sweetmeat, He was eating the dirt. So mother said, “My dear child, why You are eating dirt? I have given You sande\u015ba.” “Mother, what is the difference between this dirt and sande\u015ba? It is all Brahman.” You see? So His mother said, “My dear child, You are all right. Just like this is earth, and there is earthen pot. So if you want to keep water, you cannot throw the water on the ground. You have to take the earthen pot.” So this philosophy of oneness and difference was already discussed when Caitanya Mah\u0101prabhu was a child. Simultaneously one and different. Yes. Earthen pot and earth, actually, from the material point of view, they’re the same thing. But if you want to keep water you cannot keep it on the ground. You have to take to the jug. [Hindi] [break]\n
Dr. Patel: I promise you I won’t. Because you are trying to choke me.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, I am not… We should have discussion. That is nice.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Shall we [indistinct].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Under your command?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: All right. May\u0101dhyak\u1e63e\u1e47a…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da:<\/p>\n
may\u0101dhyak\u1e63e\u1e47a prak\u1e5bti\u1e25
\ns\u016byate sa-car\u0101caram
\nhetun\u0101nena kaunteya
\njagad viparivartate
\n[Bg. 9.10]\n
Dr. Patel: That means…? “Because of…”<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: “Because of My direction.” Hetun\u0101nena. “On this account.” May\u0101dhyak\u1e63e\u1e47a: “Under My supreme control.” Just like these boys and girls, my students, they are working under my direction. They are individuals; I am also individual. And they have got their independence, to obey or not to obey, but still, they are directed under my supervision. Similarly, this material nature has got individual power. S\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e6di-sthiti-pralaya-s\u0101dhana-\u015baktir ek\u0101 ch\u0101yeva yasya bhuvan\u0101ni vibharti durg\u0101 [Bs. 5.44]. But still, yasya icch\u0101nur\u016bpam api ce\u1e63\u1e6date s\u0101. That material nature is working under the direction of the Supreme Person. Therefore, govindam \u0101di-puru\u1e63am. [Hindi]\n
Dr. Patel: We call him Baby. He is innocent like a baby.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. That is very good qualification. But sometimes babies are misled. [break]\n
Dr. Patel:<\/p>\n
yata\u1e25 prav\u1e5bttir bh\u016bt\u0101n\u0101\u1e41
\nyena sarvam ida\u1e41 tatam
\nsvakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya
\nsiddhi\u1e41 vindati m\u0101nava\u1e25
\n[Bg. 18.46]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Sa\u1e41siddhi\u1e41 labhate par\u0101m.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: So, now let us surrender. Yena sarvam ida\u1e41 tatam.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yena sarvam ida\u1e41 tatam. Yena, that is person. Yena. That is not imperson. That is person. Is it not?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: We have to say yes before you. [laughter]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. You are a Sanskrit scholar.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I am not. I have just very little Sanskrit.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. Yena, this word means “person.” Yena. This is person.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Both imperson and person.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya siddhi\u1e41 vindati m\u0101nava\u1e25. Now that girl, the doctor lady you choked the other day in the morning, she, poor thing, wanted that “I am practicing the medicine and serving people,” and you call her a fool, “You are a damn fool.” Well, she’s doing the…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: She is not serving. She’s serving her… Everyone is serving money, money.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya siddhi\u1e41 vindati…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That’s all right. This serving, everyone is serving. Unless he pays, no service.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is not service.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is not service.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): If we expect payment…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Karma\u1e47y ev\u0101dhik\u0101ras te m\u0101 phale\u1e63u kad\u0101cana [Bg. 2.47].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. Here, service, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [Hindi] Do you want to throw it away in the sea?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. It is, everyone in this material world, serving somebody. Serving somebody. Because he is servant.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: He’s serving somebody or everybody. More or less it is…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. No. Everybody or somebody. “Everyone’s servant is nobody’s servant.” That is an English proverb. Anyway, this service is required. You cannot live without serving. That is not possible. Any one of us, serving somebody. But the result is, this material service… I have given several times the example that Mahatma Gandhi, he gave so much service. Result was he was killed. He was killed. Nobody thought… That person did not think that “Oh, this gentleman, old man, he has given so much service to us. Suppose I do not agree with him. Oh, how can I kill?” So people are so much ingrateful. You see? That whatever service you may render, they’ll never be satisfied.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That service was svakarma\u1e47\u0101, the karma…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. First of all I am describing the service, what is service. Service means a servant, a master. And the transaction between the master and the servant is called service. Try to understand what is service. So we have created so many masters—the wife master, the family master, the country master, the legislative master, this master, that master. You see? And you are giving service. “Oh, it is my duty. I am giving service.” But ask anybody if you are satisfied? He’ll say, “What you have done?”<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): He won’t be satisfied.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. They’ll never be satisfied. K\u0101m\u0101di… But this service is service to my k\u0101ma, krodha, lobha, moha, m\u0101tsarya. I am giving service to my wife because she satisfies me by sense gratification. Therefore I’m not giving service to my wife, but I’m giving service to my senses. So ultimately, we are servant of the senses. We are nobody’s servants. This is our material position. Yes. Ultimately, we are servant of our senses.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Or we are the servant of our ego.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So the position is constitutionally I am servant, but at the present moment, being conditioned by the material nature, I am giving service to my senses. [aside:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. But if I give service to the master of the senses, H\u1e5b\u1e63\u012bke\u015ba… Because senses, they are not independent. They are also dependent. Suppose I am now moving my hands, but if the master of my hand, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, paralyzes it, no more moving. Neither I can renovate the moving capacity of my hand. Therefore I am not master. Although I am claiming I am master of my hand, master of my leg, but actually I am not. The master is different. Therefore K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s another name is H\u1e5b\u1e63\u012bke\u015ba, master of the senses. Therefore the service should be transferred. H\u1e5b\u1e63\u012bke\u1e47a h\u1e5b\u1e63\u012bke\u015ba-sevana\u1e41 bhaktir ucyate [Cc. Madhya 19.170]. We have engaged our senses for different purposes, but when we engage our senses for the service of the master of the senses, that is called bhakti. Bhakti is also service, but it is not service to the senses, but it is service to the master of the senses. This is bhakti. So constitutionally I am servant. I cannot become master. I have to serve. So if I don’t serve the master of the senses, then I will have to serve the senses. This is our position.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I was… I wanted a little exposition on this, svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. Svakarma\u1e47\u0101.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Svakarma\u1e47\u0101. Now the karma of a man… I will speak for the while, huh?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: The karma of a man depends upon his position in the society…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes, yes, yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: …whether he’s a k\u1e63atriya, vai\u015bya, \u015b\u016bdra; like me. And whether he’s a sanny\u0101s\u012b or a g\u1e5bhastha. On that karma. And that karma when he does without expectation of any fruits, that karma is as good as bhakti according to this line, svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya siddhi\u1e41 vindati m\u0101nava\u1e25.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. Without… The result should be there, but tam, unto K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Give the result to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Tam abhyarcya. Not self. You earn lakhs of rupees, but tam abhyarcya, give to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Not take it yourself or distribute amongst your children. That is service. Tam abhyarcya. Tam abhyarcya. First of all understand this word tam. Tam abhyarcya.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya, karma\u1e47\u0101.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes, yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: How can you object to the karma? That is why I want to know.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, karma…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Karma\u1e47\u0101 abhyarcya.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Karma, karma\u1e47\u0101, by your work. Just like you are working as a medical practitioner. So you earn lakhs of rupees. Give to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That is tam abhyarcya. Then you become perfect. That is also confirmed in Bh\u0101gavata. Ata\u1e25 pumbhir dvija-\u015bre\u1e63\u1e6dh\u0101\u1e25 [SB 1.2.13]. We have already explained that our karma, our karma, according to var\u1e47a and \u0101\u015brama… Ata\u1e25 pumbhir dvija-\u015bre\u1e63\u1e6dh\u0101 var\u1e47\u0101\u015brama-vibh\u0101ga\u015ba\u1e25. Everyone is working according to var\u1e47a and \u0101\u015brama. So svanu\u1e63\u1e6dhitasya dharmasya. Anyone who is serving according to his dharma—an engineer, a doctor, or somebody else, according to his occupational duty he is serving—but he has to see, svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya sa\u1e41siddhi\u1e41 labhate. It is G\u012bt\u0101. And it is said, svanu\u1e63\u1e6dhitasya dharmasya sa\u1e41siddhi\u1e25, perfection. What is that? Hari-to\u1e63a\u1e47am. We have to see whether K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is satisfied. So you earn lakhs of rupees and give it to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a said yat karo\u1e63i, “Never mind what you are doing,” kuru\u1e63va tad mad arpa\u1e47am, “give Me it.” [laughter] And “No, no, no, sir. I’m serving You, but the money is in my pocket.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Everything is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s. How can you give anything? Even a leaf?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Oh, yes, yes. Just like these boys and girls are giving. Oh, that is the philosophy. These boys, girls, they are giving everything, whole life. Whole life. They have no… They do not ask even a single paisa from me that “My dear sir, please give me four annas. I’ll go to the cinema.” You see? They are serving. Everything they have given. This boy, you like this Girir\u0101ja. He’s earning at least 50,000 per month. Not a single paisa, even fifty n.p. he does not keep. This is service. They are not poor. They’re earning, but everything for K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Girir\u0101ja, how you are earning fifty thousand rupees a month?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. Fifty-thousand. Because fifty members. Fifty members, eleven hundred rupees. He makes at least two, three members. If some day absent, average fifty. Fifty thousand. Not a single fifty n.p. he keeps. There are many. All, all of them. Not that everyone is earning fifty thousand, but even fifty hundred or fifty paisa, everything for K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That is tam abhyarcya. And if you divide partially, “Some percentage for K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, some percentage for my sense gratification,” then K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, ye yath\u0101 m\u0101\u1e41 prapadyante t\u0101\u1e41s tathaiva bhaj\u0101my aham [Bg. 4.11]. Proportionately. If you have spent cent percent of your energy for K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is cent percent for you. And if you have spent one percent for K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is one percent for you. Responsive cooperation.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Responsive cooperation. [laughter]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. This institution has advanced so much all over the world because we have got these boys who have dedicated everything for K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Therefore it has so quickly advanced all over the world. They do not think of anything of personal. Svakarma\u1e47\u0101 tam abhyarcya. Sa\u1e41siddhir hari-to\u1e63a\u1e47am [SB 1.2.13]. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is also… Huh?<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): What is that sa\u1e41siddhi noun?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Sa\u1e41siddhi means perfection. Sa\u1e41siddhi\u1e25 parama\u1e41 gata\u1e25.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: What is sa\u1e41siddhi actually?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Sa\u1e41siddhi means perfect perfection. Samyak perfection.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: What is perfection?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Perfection means you are living entity, you are living entity, you are rotting in this material world. Get free from this material world, go back to home. That is sa\u1e41siddhi. We are suffering so much on account of being in the material world. Tri-t\u0101pa-yantana, threefold miseries. And everyone is trying to get out of the miseries, but that is not possible in the material world. Therefore you get your spiritual form and go back to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a and dance with Him. That is sa\u1e41siddhi. Tyaktv\u0101 deha\u1e41 punar janma naiti m\u0101m eti kaunteya [Bg. 4.9]. This is sa\u1e41siddhi. “After giving up this body, no more accepting any more material body.” Then he’s zero? No. M\u0101m eti: “He comes to Me, to dance with Me, to play with Me.” That is sa\u1e41siddhi. K\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25.<\/p>\n
When \u015aukadeva Gosv\u0101m\u012b was describing the cowherds boy playing with K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, he described, ittha\u1e41 brahma-sukh\u0101nubh\u016bty\u0101…<\/p>\n
ittha\u1e41 sat\u0101\u1e41 brahma-sukh\u0101nubh\u016bty\u0101
\nd\u0101sya\u1e41 gat\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 para-daivatena
\nm\u0101y\u0101\u015brit\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 nara-d\u0101rake\u1e47a
\ns\u0101ka\u1e41 vijahru\u1e25 k\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25
\n[SB 10.12.11]\n
These boys, these cowherds boys, they have accumulated k\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25, heaps of pious activities; therefore they are now allowed to play with K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. K\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25. Not ordinary thing. So the impersonalists, they cannot understand, “What is this, playing with K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, cowherds boy?” But here it is said, k\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25. This is not ordinary thing. Ittha\u1e41 brahma-sukh\u0101nubh\u016bty\u0101. Sat\u0101m. Those who are trying to appreciate brahma-sukha, for them, here is the Supreme Truth, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. And d\u0101sya\u1e41 gat\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 para-daivatena. And those who have accepted to become the servant of the Lord, for them here is the Supreme Personality of Godhead. And m\u0101y\u0101\u015brit\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 nara-d\u0101rake\u1e47a. M\u016b\u1e0dha. M\u0101y\u0101\u015brit\u0101n\u0101m. They are thinking, “Oh, He is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, ordinary boy. What is this?” But they are playing. These boys are playing with Him. Why? K\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25. Of many lives pious activities, they have come to this position, k\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25. M\u0101y\u0101\u015brit\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 nara-d\u0101rake\u1e47a. [aside:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. [break] …to understand K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a and to engage himself in the service of the Lord, it requires a qualification, that completely… Ye\u1e63\u0101\u1e41 anta-gata\u1e41 p\u0101pa\u1e41…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Jan\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 pu\u1e47ya-karma\u1e47\u0101m [Bg. 7.28].<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Jan\u0101n\u0101\u1e41 pu\u1e47ya-ka… Those who are simply… This is the highest pu\u1e47ya-karma, to engage one life’s activities only for the service of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That is the greatest pu\u1e47ya-karma. And material pu\u1e47ya-karma, a little discrepancy… Just like the N\u1e5bga. N\u1e5bga. What is that? He was very charitable, distributing cows, and little mistake, he had to become a alligator.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Yes, yes, yes. And he fell into that…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Well.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Well, yes. And those boys came and K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a saved him.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Daily thousands of cows he was distributing.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: And one day br\u0101hma\u1e47a’s cow was wrongfully given.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. So these material pious activity is like that. There is risk. There is risk.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Shall we go back?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: \u0100cch\u0101? We shall go a little more? Little more let us go. K\u1e5bta-pu\u1e47ya-pu\u00f1j\u0101\u1e25 [SB 10.12.11].<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [Hindi]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: [Hindi] …but you start when there is little light. Not in the darkness.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Before we were starting earlier, at quarter to six. Now we are doing at six-thirty.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Not six-thirty.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Real pleasure is coming at six. It is really very fine here. You come here at five… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And they want to come when there is little light. I can come at two o’clock. [laughter]\n
Dr. Patel: Shall I come Monday?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: [laughs] Everyone knows.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Shall I come Monday at three o’clock and wake you up?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Oh, yes, anytime. I get up at one o’clock. Everyone knows.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I get up at three o’clock and read. One day I will come into your room.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So you are late, late like that, than me. I rise at one o’clock.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: And you go to bed at twelve?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Nine o’clock.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. I go to bed between ten to eleven.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I go to bed at nine-thirty. I must go to bed early. Otherwise, I can’t get up.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: All right, let us go. [break] …\u1e0d\u0101l, c\u0101p\u0101\u1e6dis, [indistinct] br\u0101hma\u1e47as cook.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: He has a very good cook. That day I don’t know how he ran away, or… You striked him, no?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. No, sometimes they smoke b\u012b\u1e0d\u012bs. That is the difficulty.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): That is not in the presence of the kitchen itself, but outside.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They do all sorts of nonsense.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is the difficulty.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: If we don’t allow them, they do it.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And they will drink tea, smoke.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They always drink tea, all the cooks. They won’t like…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is the difficulty with us. We do not want to set such bad examples. [break] …Hindu system is very hygienic. Yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Extremely hygienic. The W.C.’s also.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Everything.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They must be kept extremely clean house, some of the diseases, you must have those placec tiles…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes.These European, American boys, they gave up their smoking habit, drinking tea habit, all habits, meat-eating, immediately. But if we ask any Indian, he has to consider for three generation.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is because they have been so trained from childhood.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. They have been trained same, from childhood, meat-eating, drinking wine, drinking tea, smoking and illicit sex, but they gave up immediately.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But in hygiene also they have [indistinct] our way. The hygiene is not…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: They are observing hygienic principle as far as possible, but only thing is they require little guidance.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: This kitchen behind is too small, hotel, they…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. We can make a big kitchen; we have got enough room.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I told them, maybe away we must have a small room attached to it where these boys can take… [break] [Hindi] [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …but I am not this body.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That’s right. So the mosquitoes also have no body.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: They tolerate. Actually, they tolerate because they factually think that “I am not this body. Let the mosquito bite my body.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [laughs] So mosquitoes also have no body.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Narottama d\u0101sa \u1e6ch\u0101kura says, deha-sm\u1e5bti n\u0101hi y\u0101ra, sa\u1e41s\u0101ra bandhana k\u0101h\u0101\u1e45 t\u0101ra. One who is beyond the conception of body, he has no obligation of these material things. Just like there are many s\u0101dhus, they simply remain naked body, even in severe cold. They are practiced.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They have reached that avadh\u016bta-ve\u1e63a.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So this is also avadh\u016bta-ve\u1e63a.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But that stage you must reach.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, somehow or other, they have gone to some extent. “Never mind the mosquito. Let bite. I am not this body.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [laughs] It’s like you have hypnotized them.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, actually they are doing. Although we see that from bodily point of view they have become weak, but they don’t care for it. They… You see. If they had been weak, how they are chanting and dancing sa\u1e45k\u012brtana? They are not weak at all. [Hindi] [break] “Now let me dance. Then I shall jump over your head.” [Dr. Patel laughs] This is philosophy. “Now I am d\u0101sa, then I become your master.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: How can you be master when I am nothing? When I am d\u0101sa, then I will be nothing before you.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is voidism. You are something. How you are nothing?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: How can you be the master of a master?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is not possible, but these M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012bs tries for this.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: [Hindi]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: These M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012bs, they wants to become the master. [Hindi] [break] [Dr. Patel greets someone] They are M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No. They are Vai\u1e63\u1e47avas. All Vai\u1e63\u1e47avas.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But they worship…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They worship K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a and their original…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Guru. They worship you, don’t they?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. The guru can be worshiped, but…<\/p>\n
Ya\u015bomat\u012bnandana: They worship guru as God.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No. God is God. How can…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: [greets passerby:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They worship guru and God both.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is guru. Guru and God…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: And you. You cannot worship God without guru.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: And, “Let God go away,” oh, that is not good. That is not good.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: It is not so. I think somebody has wrongly informed you, sir. And I will get you some comparative literatures to… [break] There are no four-hand there. There are no… You have wrongly seen and I have wrongly seen. No. That is really…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But you showed me the wrong thing.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: It was not right thing, but we have not seen in the dark. It was right thing, it was K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s own photograph, and there were no four hands.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But I saw the picture. The guru has four hands.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: No. We saw it in dark, both of us. And I also wonder… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …in a R\u0101ma mandira, but there was no R\u0101ma.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Yes, R\u0101ma mandiras have all degenerated.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: There was no R\u0101ma. The guru’s picture. He’s R\u0101ma.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is R\u0101ma. In all the temples of Sa\u00f1jaya and there… always K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s that you have here. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …[indistinct] What is this?<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): No, no. He is from that samprad\u0101ya. [break] They worship God as Swaminarayan. “My Lord is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a.” Swami means the Lord, and N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a is the Lord. So they say always “Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan.” Just like we chant Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, they chant “Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan, Swaminarayan.” The Lord is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, Lord is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. Lord is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. So Swami is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. You see, actually what did he preach? “Our Swami is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a.” So they have Swaminarayan song.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da. That is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): That is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da, or whatever it may be.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): Oh, Lord is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Everything is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da. As soon as we say, “Our Swami is N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a,” it is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: It is not that. It is… What he says is not right.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): No, that is…, I understand. I have not…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: You read all the [indistinct] that I have read. He accepts… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Vivekananda has done daridra-n\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a. Here is “Swaminarayan.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is different also. You don’t put up two together.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. Same thing. Another…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Don’t get excited or it will be…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. I’m not getting excited. You are getting.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): You also don’t get excited.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: I am not getting excited, but it’s not that. I will really bring you the real…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. I am asking what is the difference between this daridra-n\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a and Swaminarayan? That I am asking.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: See, he actually went to Badrinath.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): When we call N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, N\u0101r\u0101ya\u1e47a, as our Lord, how is it M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da? How it comes in M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is explained by Vi\u015bvan\u0101tha Cakravart\u012b \u1e6ch\u0101kura. S\u0101k\u1e63\u0101d-dharitvena samasta-\u015b\u0101strai\u1e25. Guru is accepted as good as God. Haritvena samasta-\u015b\u0101strai\u1e25. Saba-\u015b\u0101stra.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: In all \u015b\u0101stras.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: S\u0101k\u1e63\u0101d-dharitvena samasta-\u015b\u0101strair ukta\u1e25, it is said. S\u0101k\u1e63\u0101d-dharitvena samasta-\u015b\u0101strair uktas tath\u0101 bh\u0101vyata eva sadbhi\u1e25. And this principle is accepted by great saintly person. Kintu prabhor ya\u1e25 priya eva tasya. He’s not one with the Prabhu, but he’s very dear servant of Prabhu.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is right.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That conception is Vai\u1e63\u1e47avism. And as soon as you simply say that “He is God,” that is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da.<\/p>\n
Indian man (2): Yes, but we are not… But he has wrongly…<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): No, Swaminarayan, what I told you the principle of Swaminarayan is that…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Swaminarayan… You have no right to speak.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): No, no. What I understand about this…<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: There are three schools of Vai\u1e63\u1e47avism. But that… In that school, the preaching and everything in the worship is the same, more or less. [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: The thing is… This is the conclusion, that guru may be worshiped as K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, but the worshiper knows that “I am worshiping my guru not because he has become K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, but he is the most confidential servant of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.” That is Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is what Swaminarayan is saying. All the Vai\u1e63\u1e47avas, what he has said, every time he has said the same thing. Unless there may be a constant mind…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: This is the difference between Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava school and M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b school. Advaita-v\u0101da and dvaita-v\u0101da. They become very strong; at the same time, remain servant.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: These \u015buddh\u0101dvaita-v\u0101d\u012bs, their upper br\u0101hma\u1e47a[?] and lower br\u0101hma\u1e47a[?] the same as… [break] …you call M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012bs, they say that this is all humbug and nothing and nonexistence. They… [break] …both are one and both are right and both are existent and both are… There is no illusion, as you say. The same thing.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Simultaneously one and different.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That is a little check.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So unless you accept this difference, then it is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da. Simply oneness is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: That’s right. You may… You accept one and the same, separate both or another explana…, another, only K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a knows and nobody knows.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. No, why K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a knows? One who is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a’s devotee, he knows also.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: All are Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava devotees, aren’t they?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No, no. This is M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101da. Not all of.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: \u0100cch\u0101. Vallabh\u0101c\u0101rya’s devotees, Vai\u1e63\u1e47avas are not…?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Vallabh\u0101c\u0101rya is a samprad\u0101ya.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But are they not Vai\u1e63\u1e47avas?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: That is a samprad\u0101ya. Vi\u1e63\u1e47u Sv\u0101m\u012b\u2013samprad\u0101ya. That is accepted. That is accepted.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: R\u0101m\u0101nuj\u0101c\u0101rya’s Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava was not Vai\u1e63\u1e47ava?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Oh, yes.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Then why do you say so? They are all Vai\u1e63\u1e47avas, but…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: But R\u0101m\u0101nuj\u0101c\u0101rya does not say that the devotee is God.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Nobody says so. It is vi\u015bi\u1e63\u1e6da…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: No. [break] …oneness with diversity. Yes. That is vi\u015bi\u1e63\u1e6d\u0101dvaita philosophy. And nirvi\u015be\u1e63a. Nirvi\u015bi\u1e63\u1e6da-advaitav\u0101d\u012b s\u0101\u1e45khya philosophy. Nirvi\u015bi\u1e63\u1e6da.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Nirvi\u015bi\u1e63\u1e6da means?<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Vallabh\u0101c\u0101rya.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Nirvi\u015bi\u1e63\u1e6da means… No, \u015buddh\u0101… Vallabh\u0101c\u0101rya… \u015auddh\u0101dvaita. \u015auddh\u0101dvaita. [Indian men talking at once] That is called keval\u0101dvaita. Keval\u0101dvaita. [break] K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is \u0101di. Vi\u1e63\u1e47u is, in the material world, He’s accepted as one of the devas: Brahm\u0101, Vi\u1e63\u1e47u, Mahe\u015bvara. So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, aham \u0101dir hi dev\u0101n\u0101m [Bg. 10.2].<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is \u0101di of Vi\u1e63\u1e47u…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Vi\u1e63\u1e47u also.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Mah\u0101-Vi\u1e63\u1e47u.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. No Mah\u0101-Vi\u1e63\u1e47u is \u0101di. Mah\u0101-Vi\u1e63\u1e47u is kal\u0101-vi\u015be\u1e63a, partial exhibition of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That is said in the Brahma-sa\u1e41hit\u0101 = yasyaika-ni\u015bvasita-k\u0101lam ath\u0101valambya j\u012bvanti loma-vilaj\u0101 jagad-a\u1e47\u1e0da-n\u0101th\u0101\u1e25, vi\u1e63\u1e47ur mah\u0101n sa iha yasya kal\u0101-vi\u015besa\u1e25 [Bs. 5.48]. This Mah\u0101-Vi\u1e63\u1e47u, from whose breathing innumerable universes are coming, that Mah\u0101-Vi\u1e63\u1e47u is kal\u0101-vi\u015be\u1e63a.<\/p>\n
yasyaika-ni\u015bvasita-k\u0101lam ath\u0101valambya
\nj\u012bvanti loma-vilaj\u0101 jagad-a\u1e47\u1e0da-n\u0101th\u0101\u1e25
\nvi\u1e63\u1e47ur mah\u0101n sa iha yasya kal\u0101-vi\u015be\u1e63o
\ngovindam \u0101di-puru\u1e63am tam aha\u1e41 bhaj\u0101mi
\n[Bs. 5.48]\n[aside:] Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Jaya. [break] From Lord Brahm\u0101. Brahm\u0101.<\/p>\n
Devotee: That was found by Lord Caitanya, Prabhup\u0101da? The Brahma-sa\u1e41hit\u0101?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. Some of the manuscripts were found in South India, and He brought it and He delivered, that “This is authoritative.”<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: As a matter of fact, the Vai\u1e63\u1e47avism started from South India.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Even \u015aa\u1e45kara was also South India.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Cult of Vai\u1e63\u1e47avism started from South India.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: All the \u0101c\u0101ryas, they came from South India.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They are more religious.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Vallabh\u0101c\u0101rya also South India.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Vallabh\u0101c\u0101rya is from north, no?<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: South India.<\/p>\n
Indian man (1): Born in Bihar, but South India… [break]\n
Dr. Patel: And the worst damn… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …beaches. The sand is like this. Not like that.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Like this.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. This soft sand. But not walking, our sand. This Juhu Beach is specially nice.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Made for us. [laughs] [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …kingdom, the Maharashtrian br\u0101hma\u1e47as, they were more staunch.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: They did not serve Muslims, like br\u0101hma\u1e47as who are from Bengal and Gujarat. Gujarati br\u0101hma\u1e47as and Bengali br\u0101hma\u1e47as served the Muslims…<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Brahminical culture. San\u0101tana Gosv\u0101m\u012b. San\u0101tana Gosv\u0101m\u012b, he was also br\u0101hma\u1e47a, but because he served the Muhammadans, he was rejected from the br\u0101hma\u1e47a society. Then K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, as Caitanya Mah\u0101prabhu, raised them to the position of gosv\u0101m\u012b. Their name was also changed. Dabira Kh\u0101sa. Dabira Kh\u0101sa.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Muslim name.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: Yes, Muslim name.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: But here in Gujarat we have got so many br\u0101hma\u1e47as and… [break]\n
Prabhup\u0101da: …magistrates.<\/p>\n
Dr. Patel: Ah, but then these are Muslim br\u0101hma\u1e47as.<\/p>\n
Prabhup\u0101da: So it is Muslim name. Their forefathers were magistrates, that’s all. Kazi, there is no harm… Munshi, Kazi. They’re common… [break] If you go to anyone, “Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a,” they’ll understand = “Here is Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a people.” That’s all. Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Anywhere—Africa, Australia, Japan—they know, “These are Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a people.” We are known as “Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a people.”<\/p>\n
So there are so many apartments… [end]\n
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