{"id":19655,"date":"2020-10-02T16:18:26","date_gmt":"2020-10-02T20:18:26","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.isvara.org\/archive\/?p=19655"},"modified":"2022-01-20T18:17:53","modified_gmt":"2022-01-20T23:17:53","slug":"lecture-at-international-student-association-cambridge-near-boston","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.isvara.org\/archive\/lecture-at-international-student-association-cambridge-near-boston\/","title":{"rendered":"Lecture at International Student Association Cambridge [near Boston]"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Date: May 2, 1969<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Location: Boston<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: I understand that your&#8230;, this society is known as International Student Society? Yes. There are many other international societies. There are international United Nations also. The idea is very nice, but we should try to understand\u2014internationally or universally\u2014what is the central idea. Just like if you throw a stone in the middle of water, it expands. It becomes&#8230;, the circle expands, and the circle goes to the limit of the bank of the water. That is the way. The vibration, sound vibration also, radio message also. Similarly, the circle increases, and you capture the waves and you understand.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Similarly, international feeling can be extended also. In the beginning of our life, just like a child, anna-brahma: everything he wants to eat. A small child, whatever he captures he wants to eat. Personal interest. Then, when the child grows, he tries to participate with his other brothers and sisters: &#8220;All right. You also take little.&#8221; This is increasing the feeling of fellowship. Then he grows again; he feels for his father, parents, society, then community, country and, at last, international. Expansion.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">But in such feeling, unless the center is right, that expansion of feeling, universally or internationally or nationally even, that is not perfect. That is not perfect. Take, for example, internationally. In your country, what is the meaning of national? National means one who has taken birth in that particular country. Is that all right? National? You feel for another American because he is born in this country. Or any other country, Indian. That national feeling&#8230;, that is called national feeling. You feel for your countrymen. You sacrifice your life for your country.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">But there is defect. What is that defect? If this is the definition\u2014that a living entity or a person born in that country, he is a national\u2014then why not the animals? They are also born in that country. But we are not expanding our feelings beyond this human society. We don&#8217;t think animals are national assets. Animals are sent to the slaughterhouse. So this is because the center of national feeling or international feeling is losing. The center is not fixed up. If the center is right, then you can make circle from that center, any number of circles, they&#8217;ll never overlap. They&#8217;ll be growing, growing, growing. They&#8217;ll not interact with one another if the center is all right.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So everyone is feeling nationally or internationally, but the center is missing. Therefore your feeling, your international feeling, my international feeling, your national feeling, my national feeling, they are overlapping. So we have to find out the center. Then you expand your circle, it will not, I mean to say, overlap or counteract. It will go on. That center is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Our society, International Society for Krishna Consciousness, is teaching to the people of all country that the center is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. You try to think from the central point of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a philosophy is the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">I take it for granted that many of you have studied Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. And in the Seventh Chapter there is a nice verse that,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n m\u0101\u1e41 prapadyate<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">v\u0101sudeva\u1e25 sarvam iti<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">sa mah\u0101tm\u0101 su-durlabha\u1e25<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 7.19]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">You have heard the word mah\u0101tm\u0101. That is a Sanskrit word, or Indian word, which is applied to a person whose mind is expanded, whose feelings, the circle of his feelings, is very expanding. He is called mah\u0101tm\u0101. Mah\u0101 means big or great, and \u0101tm\u0101, \u0101tm\u0101 means soul. Who has expanded his soul very wide, he is called mah\u0101tm\u0101. So this Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 gives the definition of the person who has expanded his feeling very wide.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Who is that? It is said there, bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante [Bg. 7.19]. We are trying to expand our feeling socially, communally or nationally or internationally or universally or some other way. This is going on. We try to do it. That is our natural function, especially in the human form of life\u2014expanded consciousness, broader consciousness. We try.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">We try to do some service to the whole humanity, to society, to the country. That is expanded consciousness. But Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 says that bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante. Bahu means many, and janma means birth. Bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante: at the end of. At the end of many, many births.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Perhaps you know that we believe the theory\u2014not theory; the fact\u2014of transmigration of soul. We are changing bodies one after another. There are 8,400,000&#8217;s of different species of life, and we are evolving. And at last we come to this form, human form of life. This is also called bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante: after many, many births.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Labdhv\u0101 su-durlabham ida\u1e41 bahu-sambhav\u0101nte<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[SB 11.9.29].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[After many, many births and deaths one achieves the rare human form of life, which, although temporary, affords one the opportunity to attain the highest perfection. Thus a sober human being should quickly endeavor for the ultimate perfection of life as long as his body, which is always subject to death, has not fallen down and died. After all, sense gratification is available even in the most abominable species of life, whereas K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness is possible only for a human being.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">In the Bh\u0101gavata there is a verse. It is said there, labdhv\u0101 su-durlabham idam. Idam. Idam means &#8220;this.&#8221; This body, labdhv\u0101, you have got it. Labdhv\u0101 su-durlabham idam. Su-durlabham means it is very rare. This is not very cheap. The body of cats and dogs or animals, they are cheap, but this is not very cheap. Su-durlabha\u1e25. Bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman&#8230; Labdhv\u0101 su-durlabham ida\u1e41 bahu-sambha-v\u0101nte.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">After many, many births, at least 8,000,000 births of different species of life, we get this human form of life. It is stated in the Bh\u0101gavata, and similarly, all Vedic literatures, they corroborate one another. It is&#8230; The person who can understand, he doesn&#8217;t find any contradiction. The same statement is there in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101: bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So this human form of life is obtained after many, many births of lower animal or other than human form of life. But even in this human form of life also, if one is cultivating that knowledge to find out the central point, what is the central point, then that also requires he gets many, many births in human form of life also. But he has to find out that central point.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">That central point is there, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is saying, that bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n [Bg. 7.19].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[After many births and deaths, he who is actually in knowledge surrenders unto Me, knowing Me to be the cause of all causes and all that is. Such a great soul is very rare.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">J\u00f1\u0101navan means who has actually acquired knowledge. J\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n. J\u00f1\u0101na means knowledge, and v\u0101n means one who possesses. So one who possesses actual knowledge, after&#8230; We are cultivating knowledge. If we are actually cultivating knowledge, spiritual knowledge, not in one life but many, many lives, then when we actually become on the highest platform of knowledge, bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n, then K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, mam prapadyate: &#8220;He comes and surrenders unto Me, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a,&#8221; or God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">When I speak &#8220;K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a,&#8221; &#8220;K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8221; means the Supreme Lord, the all-attractive Supreme Personality of Godhead. So bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n m\u0101\u1e41 prapadyate. Surrenders. Why? V\u0101sudeva\u1e25 sarvam iti sa mah\u0101tm\u0101 su-durlabha\u1e25. This word mah\u0101tm\u0101 is there, because after cultivating knowledge many, many births, he has expanded himself to be very great.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">God is great, and His devotee who expands up to the point of God, he is also called great. His \u0101tm\u0101 is also great. Mah\u0101tm\u0101. But He says, sa mah\u0101tm\u0101 su-durlabha\u1e25. That sort of mah\u0101tm\u0101, or great soul, is very rare to be seen. Su-durlabha\u1e25. Su-durlabha\u1e25. Su means very, and durlabha\u1e25 means rare. Very rare.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So this is the definition we get from Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, that we are expanding our feelings of love, different types of love\u2014love of the country, love of the nation, love of the society, love of the community, love of the family, or love of the cats and dogs and so on. Love is there. Love is there, but we are expanding it according to our expansion of perfect knowledge.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">That perfect knowledge comes to exist when we come to the point of loving K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That is perfection. Sa mah\u0101tm\u0101 su-durlabha\u1e25. But it is very difficult to find out such person who has developed love of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. But that is the aim of life. That is the aim of all activities.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Similarly, in the Bh\u0101gavata, there is another verse. It is said that,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">dharma\u1e25 svanu\u1e63\u1e6dhita\u1e25 pu\u1e41s\u0101\u1e41<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">vi\u1e63vaksena-kath\u0101su ya\u1e25<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">notp\u0101dayed rati\u1e41 yadi<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">\u015brama eva hi kevalam<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[SB 1.2.8]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">The occupational activities a man performs according to his own position are only so much useless labor if they do not provoke attraction for the message of the Personality of Godhead.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">It is said that you are doing your duty according to your position. Everyone is doing. Svanu\u1e63\u1e6dhita\u1e25 dharma\u1e25. Dharma means occupational duty. Everyone has got duty. A student has a duty, or a householder has got some duty, a sanny\u0101s\u012b has got some duty, a brahmac\u0101r\u012b has got duty. So there are different types of duties according to different occupation or profession.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">But Bh\u0101gavata says that you can perform your duties very nicely, very accurately, but if by performing your duties you do not come to the understanding of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, or God, then whatever you have done very nicely, \u015brama eva hi kevalam: it is simply laboring. Simply laboring.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">But if you want to perfection, come to the point of perfection, then that is stated in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, as I said, that bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m, after discharging duties very nicely, very accurately, very faithfully, if one comes to the point that v\u0101sudeva\u1e25 sarvam iti, then you should understand that your feelings of love or international feeling or national feeling has actually expanded. That is it. That is real national feeling.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And what is the symptom? A man says, &#8220;Yes, I have expanded very widely my feelings of love.&#8221; No. There are some symptoms how you are feeling, how you are&#8230; That is also stated in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, that pa\u1e47\u1e0dit\u0101\u1e25 sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25. Pa\u1e47\u1e0dita means learned. Sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">vidy\u0101-vinaya-sampanne<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">br\u0101hma\u1e47e gavi hastini<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">\u015buni caiva \u015bva-p\u0101ke ca<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">pa\u1e47\u1e0dit\u0101\u1e25 sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 5.18]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[The humble sage, by virtue of true knowledge, sees with equal vision a learned and gentle br\u0101hma\u1e47a, a cow, an elephant, a dog and a dog-eater [outcaste]]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">A pa\u1e47\u1e0dita, if one has actually elevated to that stage of perfect wisdom, then he is sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25, that actually sama&#8230; How sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25? Vidy\u0101-vinaya-sampanne br\u0101hma\u1e47e. A br\u0101hma\u1e47a, according to Vedic culture, a br\u0101hma\u1e47a is considered&#8230; Br\u0101hma\u1e47a means vidy\u0101-vinaya-sampanne. He is very gentle and very learned. That is the first qualification of br\u0101hma\u1e47a. Not by birth but by qualification.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Gentle and learned. Vidy\u0101-vinaya-sampanne br\u0101hma\u1e47e gavi&#8230;, br\u0101hma\u1e47e gavi hastini, pa\u1e47\u1e0dita\u1e25 sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25. Because his vision is no more on the platform of this body. Sama-dar\u015bina\u1e25. He sees a learned br\u0101hma\u1e47a is also a spirit soul, and a dog is also a spirit soul, an elephant is also a spirit soul, or a low-born man, he is also spirit soul.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Beginning from the high-born br\u0101hma\u1e47a up to the ca\u1e47\u1e0d\u0101la, there are social stages in the human society. But if a man is really learned, he sees everyone, every living entity, on the same level. That is the stage of learning.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">vidy\u0101-vinaya-sampanne<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">br\u0101hma\u1e47e gavi hastini<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">\u015buni caiva \u015bva-p\u0101ke ca&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 5.18]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">\u015ava-p\u0101k means the dog-eaters. In India there are many types of flesh eaters. Not higher caste; amongst the lower grade. But anyone who eats the flesh of dog, he is called ca\u1e47\u1e0d\u0101la, lowest of the mankind. But here Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 says even if he is ca\u1e47\u1e0d\u0101la, the pa\u1e47\u1e0dita\u1e25, he sees equally like the br\u0101hma\u1e47a, because he sees the spirit soul.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So our point is that if we actually want to expand this international feeling, then we must find out the real center. That center is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a\u2014K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, or God, I have already explained. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a said in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101&#8230; You&#8217;ll please always remember that this K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness movement means placing Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 as it is.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Whatever I am speaking, it is there in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Unfortunately, Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 has been misinterpreted by so many commentators that people have misunderstood the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Actually, Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 means to develop K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, and we are trying to do that.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So in that Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, as K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a has given the definition of mah\u0101tm\u0101, broadminded&#8230; So what is that broadminded? He says next verse, mah\u0101tm\u0101nas tu m\u0101\u1e41 p\u0101rtha daiv\u012b\u1e41 prak\u1e5btim \u0101\u015brit\u0101\u1e25 [Bg. 9.13].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[O son of P\u1e5bth\u0101, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Mah\u0101tm\u0101, who is actually wise and broadminded, he is no more within the spell of this material energy. He is under the shelter, or protection, of spiritual energy. Everything&#8230; Just try to understand. Whatever we are seeing, they are different energies of God. Par\u0101sya br\u0101hma\u1e47a \u015baktir&#8230;, akhila\u1e41 jagat. Whatever we are experiencing, they are all different energies of the Supreme Lord, par\u0101sya \u015baktir.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">In the Vedic literature, Upani\u1e63ad, it is said, par\u0101sya \u015baktir vividhaiva \u015br\u016byate. The Supreme Absolute Truth has many varieties of energies. Par\u0101sya \u015baktir vividhaiva \u015br\u016byate, sv\u0101bh\u0101vik\u012b j\u00f1\u0101na-bala-kriy\u0101 ca [\u015avet\u0101\u015bvatara Upani\u1e63ad 6.8, Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[The Supreme Lord has multipotencies, which act so perfectly that all consciousness, strength and activity are being directed solely by His will.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And the energies are acting so nicely that it appears that it is being automatically, nicely done. Just like a flower is blooming. The energy of God is acting there, but we are seeing that it has automatically become so beautiful and blooming. No. That is energy. That is the vision how we can see God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">How we can see K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a? In the Fourth Chapter you&#8217;ll find, raso &#8216;ham apsu kaunteya [Bg. 7.8]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[O son of Kunt\u012b [Arjuna], I am the taste of water, the light of the sun and the moon, the syllable om in the Vedic mantras; I am the sound in ether and ability in man.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;My dear Kaunteya, Arjuna, you, if you try to understand Me, if you want to make your soul broader to understand Me, try to understand Me\u2014raso &#8216;ham apsu kaunteya\u2014I am the taste, the sweet taste in the water.&#8221; So every day we are drinking water. There is nobody here who does not drink water. So when you drink water and you feel satisfaction, that satisfaction is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Raso &#8216;ham apsu kaunteya prabh\u0101smi \u015ba\u015bi-s\u016bryayo\u1e25. Nobody can escape seeing the light of the sun, of the moon. \u015aa\u015bi, \u015ba\u015bi means moon. S\u016brya means sun. So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, &#8220;That illumination is I am.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So there is so many list of understanding that God consciousness, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. So when one is fully cognizant of the energies of the Lord, how they are acting&#8230; And we have to practice. We take lesson from Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 and we practice. You will be able to understand. Then after bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante, when you become mature, v\u0101sudeva\u1e25 sarvam iti, &#8220;Oh, V\u0101sudeva is everything,&#8221; then you surrender. Sa mah\u0101tm\u0101 sudurlabha\u1e25. That person, who has widened his soul in that way, he is very rare to be seen.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And what are the functions of such mah\u0101tm\u0101? Mah\u0101tm\u0101nas tu m\u0101\u1e41 p\u0101rtha daiv\u012b\u1e41 prak\u1e5btim \u0101\u015brit\u0101\u1e25 [Bg. 9.13].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[O son of P\u1e5bth\u0101, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Mah\u0101tm\u0101, one who is so broadminded, he is not crooked to be under the spell of this material energy. He is under the protection of the spiritual energy, daiv\u012b prak\u1e5bti. Prak\u1e5bti means nature. This nature is called the material energy. And there is another, spiritual energy. These things are all explained in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Apareyam. These are apar\u0101. Apar\u0101 means inferior energies, material energy. Itas tu viddhi me prak\u1e5bti\u1e41 par\u0101. Beyond this inferior energy, there is another, spiritual energy. There are so many verses you&#8217;ll find in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So our propagation is to present Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 as it is, without any nonsensical commentation. There is no need of nonsensical commentation. Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 is as clear as the sunlight. As you do not require to see the sun with another lamp, similarly, you do not [chuckling] require to study Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 with another commentation of a common man who has no knowledge. Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 as it is, you should study. Then you will get all this knowledge. Bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante: you become wise and you can understand K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Then you surrender. Then you become mah\u0101tm\u0101.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And what is the function of mah\u0101tm\u0101? Mah\u0101tm\u0101 is under the protection of spiritual energy. And what is the symptom of that protection of spiritual energy? That is also stated,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">mah\u0101tm\u0101nas tu m\u0101\u1e41 p\u0101rtha<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">daiv\u012b\u1e41 prak\u1e5btim \u0101\u015brit\u0101\u1e25<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">bhajanty ananya-manaso&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 9.13]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">He is always engaged in devotional service of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. That is the only symptom. That is mah\u0101tm\u0101.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">mah\u0101tm\u0101nas tu m\u0101\u1e41 p\u0101rtha<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">daiv\u012b\u1e41 prak\u1e5btim \u0101\u015brit\u0101\u1e25<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">bhajanty ananya-manaso<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">j\u00f1\u0101tv\u0101 bh\u016bt\u0101dim avyayam<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 9.13]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[O son of P\u1e5bth\u0101, those who are not deluded, the great souls, are under the protection of the divine nature. They are fully engaged in devotional service because they know Me as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, original and inexhaustible.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Does he follow this devotional service blindly? No. J\u00f1\u0101tv\u0101. J\u00f1\u0101tv\u0101 means &#8220;knowing perfectly that I am the source of everything.&#8221; Aha\u1e41 sarvasya prabhava\u1e25 [Bg. 10.8]:<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who know this perfectly engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;I am the source of everything.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So these things are there in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 As It Is. It is not possible to explain all the verses, but our request is that this K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness movement is to spread the knowledge depicted in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 as it is, without any nonsensical commentation. Then the human society will profit by it. They are actually not in sound condition of living atmosphere, but if they understand Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 and if they actually expand their broader outlook, then these questions of social, national, international, all will be automatically solved. There will be no difficulty.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And without finding out the center, if we manufacture our own ways&#8230; Not to speak of any individual person; the different nations of the whole world, they are trying to be united. And in your country there is United Nations Organization. Unfortunately, instead of becoming one, the flags are increasing. Daily you pass, you&#8217;ll see another flag is there. Just like in our India, there was one Hindustan. Now [chuckling] there has become another, Pakistan. And sometime there will be Sikhistan and there will be some-stan. So instead of becoming united, we are being disunited, because we are missing the center.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So my request is that you are all international students, you try to find out the center of any international movement. That international movement does not mean that &#8220;My brother is international and I am international. All others, they are nothing.&#8221; Not like that. Actually you try to feel internationally. That international feeling will be possible when you find out the center, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, as it is in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101: bah\u016bn\u0101\u1e41 janman\u0101m ante j\u00f1\u0101nav\u0101n m\u0101\u1e41 prapadyat. When you actually understand K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, the K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a philosophy, that will be perfect.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">And K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, in the Thirteenth Chapter, you&#8217;ll find,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">sarva-yoni\u1e63u kaunteya<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">sambhavanti m\u016brtaya\u1e25 y\u0101\u1e25<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">t\u0101s\u0101\u1e41 mahad yoni brahma<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">aha\u1e41 b\u012bja-prada\u1e25 [pit\u0101]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 14.4]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[It should be understood that all species of life, O son of Kunt\u012b, are made possible by birth in this material nature, and that I am the seed-giving father.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">He is claiming that &#8220;I am the father of all forms of life.&#8221; Sarva-yoni\u1e63u, &#8220;all species of life.&#8221; &#8220;The material nature is the mother, and I am the seed-giving father.&#8221; Just like without father and mother nobody can appear, similarly, in this material world, whoever has come, every one of us, beginning from Brahm\u0101 down to the ant, everyone, the mother is the material nature.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">The mother supplies this body. So our this body is material; therefore it is the gift of the material mother, material nature. But I, the spirit soul, that I am part and parcel of the Supreme Lord, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Mamaiv\u0101\u1e41\u015bo j\u012bva-bh\u016bta\u1e25 [Bg. 15.7]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[The living entities in this conditioned world are My eternal, fragmental parts. Due to conditioned life, they are struggling very hard with the six senses, which include the mind.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;All these living entities, they are My part and parcel.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So if you try to wide your feelings of internationality, please try to understand Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. You&#8217;ll be getting enlightenment, you&#8217;ll understand what is international feeling. Sarva-yoni\u1e63u. Sarva-yoni\u1e63u means then you will feel international even for the cats and dogs and animals and reptiles. In the \u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">These people are manufacturing Communism, but in the \u015ar\u012bmad-Bh\u0101gavatam, Seventh Canto, you&#8217;ll find a statement given by N\u0101rada Muni that if in your house there is a snake even, you should give him something to eat. Just see how the feeling. Even there is a snake, what to speak of other animals.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So these feelings will be enlightened. Unless&#8230; We cannot be enlightened unless we come to the real point of God, or K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. So we are preaching this K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, or God consciousness. It is not a new movement, because as I told you, that this is based on the principles of Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, and Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 is not new. At least from historical point of view, it is five thousand years old. And beyond history, pre-history, as it is stated in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 in the Fourth Chapter, it is said, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a said,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">ima\u1e41 vivasvate yoga\u1e41<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">proktav\u0101n aham avyayam<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">vivasv\u0101n manave pr\u0101hur<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">manur ik\u1e63v\u0101kave &#8216;brav\u012bt<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Bg. 4.1]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasv\u0101n, and Vivasv\u0101n instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Ik\u1e63v\u0101ku.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">That means &#8220;I first of all spoke to the sun-god.&#8221; Now if you take that duration, it will be some millions of years before it was spoken. These things are stated in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So apart from that statement, from historical point of view, since the days of Mah\u0101bh\u0101rata, yes, Battle of Kuruk\u1e63etra&#8230; Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 was spoken in the Battle of Kuruk\u1e63etra. From historical point of view, it is five thousand years old. So this Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 teaching is coming, at least, from five thousand&#8230;, since five thousand years. So it is older than any other scripture in the world.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So you try to understand as it is, without any unnecessary commentary. You do not&#8230; There is no use of commentary. The words are sufficient to give you enlightenment, but unfortunately, people take advantage of the popularity of Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, and they try to impress under the shelter of Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 their own philosophy or own idea. That is useless.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">You try to understand Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 as it is, then you will get this entitlement, enlightenment, that K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is the center of all activities. And if you become K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a conscious, then everything will be perfect; all problems will be solved. Ceto-darpa\u1e47a-m\u0101rjana\u1e41 bhava-mah\u0101-d\u0101v\u0101gni-nirv\u0101panam [Cc. Antya 20.12].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[\u201c\u2019Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.\u2019]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">These things are there, and actually, they are happening. Our students are feeling&#8230;, they are actually doing that. So we shall request you to read this Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 As It Is, so your feelings of international spirit will be perfect and you&#8217;ll be happy, and wherever you preach this cult, they will be also happy. And that will be very nice thing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Thank you very much. [devotees offer obeisances]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">If there are any question, you can ask.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Yes?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Guest: Could you discuss the various levels on the way to bliss consciousness? What happens to the body and the mind as one approaches bliss consciousness?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: [aside:] What is that question?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Satsvar\u016bpa: What are the different levels that you go through on the way to getting bliss consciousness? What happens to the body? What happens to the mind?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: We are acting not singly, simply with mind or simply&#8230; Pr\u0101\u1e47air arthair dhiy\u0101 v\u0101c\u0101 [SB 10.22.35].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[It is the duty of every living being to perform welfare activities for the benefit of others with his life, wealth, intelligence and words.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">K\u0101ya-mana-v\u0101kya. Whatever we do, we do with our body, mind and words. But this consciousness means if you put your mind in K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, then your words and body also become K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-ized.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Sa vai mana\u1e25 k\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-pad\u0101ravindayor<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[SB 9.4.18].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Mah\u0101r\u0101ja Ambar\u012b\u1e63a always engaged his mind in meditating upon the lotus feet of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, his words in describing the glories of the Lord, his hands in cleansing the Lord&#8217;s temple, and his ears in hearing the words spoken by K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a or about K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. He engaged his eyes in seeing the Deity of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s temples and K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s places like Mathur\u0101 and V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana, he engaged his sense of touch in touching the bodies of the Lord&#8217;s devotees, he engaged his sense of smell in smelling the fragrance of tulas\u012b offered to the Lord, and he engaged his tongue in tasting the Lord&#8217;s pras\u0101da. He engaged his legs in walking to the holy places and temples of the Lord, his head in bowing down before the Lord, and all his desires in serving the Lord, twenty-four hours a day. Indeed, Mah\u0101r\u0101ja Ambar\u012b\u1e63a never desired anything for his own sense gratification. He engaged all his senses in devotional service, in various engagements related to the Lord. This is the way to increase attachment for the Lord and be completely free from all material desires.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">There was a nice king, Mah\u0101r\u0101ja Ambar\u012b\u1e63a. He was great king. He had to administer a great kingdom, whole world. But he was a great devotee also, although he was very busy. Because it is said, sa vai mana\u1e25. Mana\u1e25 means mind. Sa vai mana\u1e25 k\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a-pad\u0101ravindayor. He always kept his mind in the lotus feet of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Vac\u0101\u1e41si vaiku\u1e47\u1e6dha-gu\u1e47\u0101nuvar\u1e47ane. And therefore his mind was always dedicated to the lotus feet of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. He could not speak anything but K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. Vac\u0101\u1e41si vaiku\u1e47\u1e6dha-gu\u1e47a.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So the whole process of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness is transferring the business from matter to spirit, or K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. There is a nice definition how to execute K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness in the N\u0101rada Pa\u00f1car\u0101tra. Sarvop\u0101dhi-vinirmukta\u1e41 tat-paratvena nirmalam [Cc. Madhya 19.170].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[\u201c\u2019Bhakti, or devotional service, means engaging all our senses in the service of the Lord, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, the master of all the senses. When the spirit soul renders service unto the Supreme, there are two side effects. One is freed from all material designations, and one\u2019s senses are purified simply by being employed in the service of the Lord.\u2019]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">If we become freed from all these designations&#8230; &#8220;I am American,&#8221; this is a designation. &#8220;I am Indian,&#8221; this is a designation. I am not Indian; you are not American. We are all parts and parcel of the Supreme. This is only dress. It does not mean because I am in this saffron colored dress and you are in black coat or green coat, there is difference between you and me.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">We are all human being. Similarly, we have to understand that this body is our dress only. Because we have got a different dress\u2014a black dress or white dress or Indian dress or American dress\u2014that does not mean we are different.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">When we can feel in that way, when we are trained in that way, that is called sarvop\u0101dhi-vinirmuktam. He is freed from all designation. Sarvop\u0101dhi-vinirmuktam tat-paratvena nirmalam. That time he becomes purified, nirmalam. So long I have got identification that &#8220;I am this,&#8221; &#8220;I am that,&#8221; &#8220;I am that&#8230;&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Simply when I shall understand that &#8220;I am part and parcel of God,&#8221; that is&#8230;, means, that status of mind is called nirmalam, without any contamination. And when you are in that status of life&#8230; That is also explained in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. This is called brahma-bh\u016bta\u1e25 prasann\u0101tm\u0101 [Bg. 18.54].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[And of all yog\u012bs, he who always abides in Me with great faith, worshiping Me in transcendental loving service, is most intimately united with Me in yoga and is the highest of all.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Brahma-bh\u016bta\u1e25 means self-realization. And the symptom will be prasann\u0101tm\u0101, joyfulness, without any anxiety. So there are stages. One has to learn this from authoritative sources. Then it is possible to become&#8230; But our movement, it is&#8230;, chanting Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a mantra is so nice that what was possible after many, many births, you can get it within a few weeks.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">That is a fact. If you chant Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a mantra as we are doing, then you&#8217;ll understand. Very quickly your self-realization, your freedom from designation, your mental concoction, everything will be cleared, and there will be no more anxiety.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So we request everyone. We are not charging anything. We are not saying that &#8220;I shall give you some mantra. You pay me fifty dollars, and it is private.&#8221; No. It is open, without any charge. Anyone can. These boys, American boys and girls, they are chanting. Similarly, you can also chant. There is none Indian, but they are very nicely chanting Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. You can also chant. There is no fee. You just make an experiment on how you become free from this designation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So our request is that everything will be complete if you take to this chanting: Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, Hare Hare\/ Hare R\u0101ma, Hare R\u0101ma, R\u0101ma R\u0101ma, Hare Hare. And there is no very strict rules, regulation. You can chant anywhere, either in this room or outside the room or on the road, street, bus. Wherever you find opportunity, you chant simply Hare K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a and see the result.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So this is a process of purification. When we actually purify our this material contamination and designation, we, I mean to say, raised, we are promoted to the actual spiritual life. And then, at that time, we shall feel happy and our consciousness will be broader, and everything will be all right.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Indian man: I don&#8217;t know the equivalent verse of Sanskrit from the G\u012bt\u0101, but somewhere it says that&#8230;, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, &#8220;All roads lead to Me. No matter what one does, no matter what one thinks, no matter what one is involved with, eventually he&#8217;s evolving towards Me,&#8221; this K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: Yes, that&#8217;s nice, but&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Indian man: In this evolution, is it a natural evolution that you can teach people, you can guide people, you can show them the path, but the actual progress that one would make towards the supreme knowledge, is that a natural evolution, or is it&#8230;? Can that be influenced by external teaching?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: No. There is natural, of course&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Indian man: But no one person having no control on it. One may get there sooner than the other, but in reality there may not be any control that one really has on this&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: No, it requires. It requires. Otherwise, why K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is teaching? Why K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s teaching is required?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Indian man: K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8230;, in the G\u012bt\u0101 it says the student comes to the teacher.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: If it is natural, then why it was needed that K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a would teach Arjuna? It is not natural. You have to select, by getting knowledge from superior person. Otherwise there is no meaning of teaching, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s to Arjuna. Arjuna was perplexed. He was&#8230; He could not understand whether he should fight or not. So that is the position of everyone. Everyone is perplexed. He requires a guidance like K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. Then you can find out the&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">It is not natural. Natural means up to the animal life it is natural. Then come to the human form of life. Then it is discretion. As you like, you make your choice. If you like K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, you can go to K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. If you like something else, you can go there. That is your discretion. Everyone has got independence, little independence. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says at the end of Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, sarva-dharm\u0101n parityajya m\u0101m eka\u1e41 \u015bara\u1e47a\u1e41 vraja [Bg. 18.66]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;Just you surrender unto Me, giving up everything.&#8221; If it is natural, then why should He say, &#8220;You should do this&#8221;? It is not natural. One has to learn it. Therefore he requires a spiritual master like K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a or His representative. But he has got the potency to accept it. And because he has got little independence, he can reject it.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So it is not natural evolution. You have to accept the principle as it is stated in the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101. Why it is said, yad\u0101 yad\u0101 hi dharmasya gl\u0101nir bhavati bh\u0101rata [Bg. 4.7]?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion-at that time I descend Myself.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">If it is actually evolutionary, then why there is dharmasya gl\u0101nir? Tad\u0101tm\u0101na\u1e41 s\u1e5bj\u0101my aham: &#8220;As soon as there is discrepancies in the discharge of real duties, I appear.&#8221; So it is natural. If we keep ourself in natural life, it is natural. But because we are developed consciousness, we do not keep in natural life. We accept so many unnatural things. Therefore our knowledge becomes covered by unnatural material nature.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So that has to be cleared by superior instruction. Ceto-darpa\u1e47a-m\u0101rjanam [Cc. Antya 20.12].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[\u201c\u2019Let there be all victory for the chanting of the holy name of Lord K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, which can cleanse the mirror of the heart and stop the miseries of the blazing fire of material existence. That chanting is the waxing moon that spreads the white lotus of good fortune for all living entities. It is the life and soul of all education. The chanting of the holy name of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a expands the blissful ocean of transcendental life. It gives a cooling effect to everyone and enables one to taste full nectar at every step.\u2019]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Therefore we have to take; voluntarily we have to accept. Just like a man who lives naturally, he never gets disease. But one who lives&#8230; Just like you don&#8217;t find any disease amongst the animals. But amongst the human beings, oh, there are so many medical science, so many things. Why? They live unnaturally. So if you live naturally there is natural evolution, but if you block the natural course, then how you can do it? If you lit fire and let it go, it will grow. But if you pour water in it, how it will grow?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So in human form of life we do not go according to natural intuition. Just like amongst the animals, amongst the birds you&#8217;ll see\u2014take the pigeons\u2014you give them some peas, they will eat. But if you give them some particles of meat, oh, they will not eat, because they are living natural life. A tiger, he will not accept&#8230; You give him nice foodstuff, prepare your vegetables, he&#8217;ll not accept.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So natural life evolves up to the animal life. But when you come to the human form of life you have got developed consciousness, and instead of using your intelligence and consciousness for further develop naturally, you put unnatural impediments; therefore you are covered. That is called yad\u0101 yad\u0101 hi dharmasya gl\u0101nir bhavati, tad\u0101tm\u0101nam. Therefore you require instruction of K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Guest: One of the major criticisms today of most religions are their irrelevance to tackling the social problems or immediate external problems. You talked about things beyond the self. In the Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101 I think you have references such as Arjuna being told not to become attached to the fruit of his actions, but act. Can you give us some idea of, more specific idea, of the principles which would guide one&#8217;s action while trying to develop K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: That principle is stated as the ultimate instruction of Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, that sarva-dharm\u0101n parityajya m\u0101m eka\u1e41 \u015bara\u1e47a\u1e41 vraja [Bg. 18.66].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">We have got two kinds of religion. One is called, what is called, prav\u1e5btti. Prav\u1e5btti means we are inclined, because we have got this material body, we are inclined to material activities. That is called prav\u1e5btti-m\u0101rga. Indriy\u0101\u1e47i par\u0101\u1e47y \u0101hur [Bg. 3.42].<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">This body means senses. So because so long we are absorbed in this bodily concept of life, then we try to give comforts to the senses, sense gratification. This is one stage.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So dharma means occupation. People are engaged in various types of occupational duties for sense gratification. Sometimes in religion they say you&#8217;ll go to heaven. What is that heaven? That is also sense gratification. You&#8217;ll live so long years, you&#8217;ll have so many beautiful wives and so many things, so many things.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">All flowery language. What is the basic? Sense gratification. That&#8217;s all. This is one way. Another way is niv\u1e5btti-m\u0101rga. When one has seen perfectly that &#8220;This process of sense gratification cannot give me actual happiness,&#8221; then they began to give it up.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Just like the M\u0101y\u0101v\u0101d\u012b philosophy. They say brahma-satya\u1e41 jagan mithy\u0101 [\u015aa\u1e45kar\u0101c\u0101rya]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[The Supreme Brahman is the only truth, and this material world is false.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;This world is false.&#8221; Just like in your country, a section of youngsters, they&#8217;re disgusted with this materialistic way of life. They have taken to the hippies&#8217; path. Why? It does not give satisfaction, but they do not know the right way. They have taken a wrong way, hippies. So this is called accepting and rejecting.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, &#8220;You have to give up all this nonsense accepting and rejecting. You have to take to Me, then you&#8217;ll be happy.&#8221; Sarva-dharm\u0101n. Sarva-dharm\u0101n means some religious occupation is for sense gratification and some religious occupation is rejection of this material world. So we have to give up both these, the acceptance and rejection. We have to accept the K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s path, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. &#8220;Surrender unto Me.&#8221; Then we&#8217;ll be happy.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Guest: I&#8217;d like to just digress on that. Arjuna had a very difficult problem with whether to go into combat or not. Today&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: Yes. He accepted K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s&#8230;, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s path, surrender. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a wanted that &#8220;You must fight.&#8221; So in the beginning he did not like to fight, but when he surrendered&#8230; K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a asked him, &#8220;My dear Arjuna, I have spoken to you everything. Now what you are going to do?&#8221; Now here is also K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a is giving independence to Arjuna: &#8220;What you are going to do?&#8221; Yathecchasi tath\u0101 kuru [Bg. 18.63]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Thus I have explained to you the most confidential of all knowledge. Deliberate on this fully, and then do what you wish to do.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;Now whatever you like, you do.&#8221; He never interferes. And what Arjuna said? Kari\u1e63ye vacana\u1e41 tava [Bg. 18.73]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">[Arjuna said, My dear K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, O infallible one, my illusion is now gone. I have regained my memory by Your mercy, and I am now firm and free from doubt and am prepared to act according to Your instructions.]<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">&#8220;Oh, I shall do what You are saying. Yes.&#8221; [laughter] This is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. Kari\u1e63ye vacana\u1e41 tava. Yes. He changed his decision and he wanted to do as K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a desired. This is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a conscious. He remained the same military man, but he changed his consciousness. He perfected.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Arjuna, after learning K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness, or teachings of Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101, he did not go away from the battlefield, but he sternly fought the fight because he knew that &#8220;K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a wants it. All right.&#8221; Kari\u1e63ye vacanam. This is K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a consciousness. So when we take to this conclusion, kari\u1e63ye vacana\u1e41 tava, &#8220;K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, whatever You want, I shall do,&#8221; that is perfection.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Guest: Under what conditions would K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a sanction violence?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: [aside:] What is that?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Satsvar\u016bpa: Under what conditions would K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a sanction violence?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: Violence? K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a does not sanction violence, but if there is absolute necessity, then violence is required. Yes. K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a wanted to mitigate the misunderstanding of two groups of cousin-brothers. So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a personally induced, &#8220;All right, they are&#8230;, your brothers are k\u1e63atriyas.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">K\u1e63atriyas, they cannot do any business or take the profession of a br\u0101hma\u1e47a. So you give them five villages. They will be satisfied.&#8221; And they replied, &#8220;Oh, what do You call five villages? I cannot spare even that land which can hold the tip of this needle.&#8221; Then K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says, &#8220;You must fight.&#8221;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a or K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a&#8217;s devotees, they are not fight&#8230;, they are not after fight, but if there is absolute necessity of fight, then they can fight also. Because they are prepared to do anything. Just like in R\u0101m\u0101ya\u1e47a also, the same subject matter. Hanum\u0101n&#8230; Hanum\u0101n is a devotee of Lord R\u0101macandra.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">So he fought with R\u0101va\u1e47a not for his personal self, but R\u0101ma wanted, that &#8220;He has kidnapped the queen of R\u0101ma. She must be delivered,&#8221; and there was fighting. That is the principle. When one does not agree to the religious principle or to the moral principle or any instruction, he is adamant, then there must be fight.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Guest: What are the specific principles that you would use in trying to determine whether it is absolutely necessary to fight? That sounds sort of like &#8220;Whenever in doubt, do the right thing.&#8221; That&#8217;s a very vague directive. You know that perhaps if somebody comes into your house and threatens your family, then you have to repel them with a certain amount of force, but how would you&#8230;<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">Prabhup\u0101da: These instructions, these directions are there in the Vedic literatures. If somebody&#8230;, it is said if somebody kidnaps your wife, if somebody sets fire in your house, somebody comes to kill you, then he is understood as aggressor and you can kill him immediately. There is no question of nonviolence. These are \u015b\u0101stric instruction.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: verdana, geneva, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;\">All right. So I think we can chant again. You can join. [end]<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; Date: May 2, 1969 Location: Boston Prabhup\u0101da: I understand that your&#8230;, this society is known as International Student Society? Yes. There are many other international societies. There are international United Nations also. 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