{"id":10632,"date":"2020-08-14T14:17:23","date_gmt":"2020-08-14T18:17:23","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.isvara.org\/archive\/?p=10632"},"modified":"2022-01-08T00:58:12","modified_gmt":"2022-01-08T05:58:12","slug":"room-conversation-v%e1%b9%9bndavana-19771102-part-3","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.isvara.org\/archive\/room-conversation-v%e1%b9%9bndavana-19771102-part-3\/","title":{"rendered":"Room Conversation V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana 19771102 part 3"},"content":{"rendered":"

Room Conversation<\/span><\/h1>\n

Type:\u00a0Conversation<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

Date:\u00a0Nov. 2, 1977<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

Location:\u00a0V\u1e5bnd\u0101vana<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n

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[Hindi]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Jaya.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan[?]:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi] …improvement?<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi with Shri Narayan, talking of Delhi to M\u0101y\u0101pur, risk] What happened to the car?<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0Er, do you know the history?<\/span><\/p>\n

Bhakti-caru:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes. First thing they had a flat tire. Then they ran out of gas, and then there was no petrol station. Then they lost the track. They went to some…<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0So he missed the plane.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0Missed the place. Coming from Delhi?<\/span><\/p>\n

Bhakti-caru:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes. They were supposed to come here at two o’clock.<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0I have got my car, but they arranged for a Mercedes car.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0Mercedes car, bigger car, yes. Oh, I see. So that means God didn’t want you to leave. [Hindi, talking of\u00a0G\u012bt\u0101<\/em>\u00a0culture]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0This is Indian culture.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0Indian culture,\u00a0G\u012bt\u0101<\/em>\u00a0culture. [Hindi, saying they are the same]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes.\u00a0Yad\u0101 yad\u0101 hi dharmasya gl\u0101nir bhavati<\/em>\u00a0[Bg. 4.7]. [Hindi] Whenever there are discrepancies in the human society—tad\u0101tm\u0101na\u1e41<\/em> s\u1e5b<\/em>j\u0101my aham<\/em>—at that time He appears.\u00a0Paritr\u0101\u1e47<\/em>\u0101ya s\u0101dh\u016bn\u0101\u1e41<\/em> vin\u0101\u015b\u0101ya ca du\u1e63<\/em>k\u1e5b<\/em>t\u0101m<\/em>\u00a0[Bg. 4.8]. This is the program. And when He comes, the time is fixed. So unless one thoroughly studies, they cannot accept. Actually, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a…\u00a0Ima\u1e41<\/em> vivasvate yoga\u1e41<\/em> proktav\u0101n aham avyayam<\/em>\u00a0[Bg. 4.1]. This system,\u00a0Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101,<\/em>\u00a0it is\u00a0yoga, bhakti-yoga. Bhakti-yoga<\/em>\u00a0is the topmost.<\/span><\/p>\n

yogin\u0101m api sarve<\/em>\u1e63<\/em>\u0101<\/em>\u1e41<\/em>
\nmad-gaten\u0101ntar-\u0101tman\u0101
\n\u015braddh\u0101v\u0101n bhajate yo m\u0101<\/em>\u1e41<\/em>
\nsa me yuktatamo mata<\/em>\u1e25<\/em>
\n[Bg. 6.47]<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

There are many\u00a0yogas.<\/em>\u00a0The aim is how to come to the topmost\u00a0yoga.<\/em>\u00a0That is\u00a0bhakti-yoga.<\/em>\u00a0And K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a says to Arjuna,\u00a0bhakto ‘si me.<\/em>\u00a0What is that verse? Eh?\u00a0Eva\u1e41<\/em> pur\u0101tana\u1e25<\/em> yoga\u1e25<\/em>.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0Bhakto ‘si me sakh\u0101 ceti<\/em>\u00a0[Bg. 4.3].<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Ah.\u00a0Rahasya\u1e41<\/em> hy etad uttamam.<\/em>\u00a0“Because you are My\u00a0bhakta<\/em>\u00a0and friend, therefore I am speaking to you the old system,”\u00a0pur\u0101tana\u1e25<\/em>.<\/em>\u00a0No new system. The people now introduce new system.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0San\u0101tana-j\u00f1\u0101na he. San\u0101tana-j\u00f1\u0101na he. Parampar\u0101 se.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Parampar\u0101…<\/em>\u00a0[Hindi]\u00a0…pur\u0101tana\u1e25<\/em> yoga\u1e25<\/em>.<\/em>\u00a0They introduce their own interpretation. No [Hindi]. There is nothing required. What is that?\u00a0Sa te ‘ha\u1e41<\/em> yoga\u1e25<\/em> prokta\u1e25<\/em> pur\u0101tana\u1e25<\/em>. Pur\u0101tanam.<\/em>\u00a0Find out.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi telling about the two films shown]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0People of the world, they’re hankering after this civilization. Unfortunately, we are miser. We are not giving them…<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0All that they should get.<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0This is not good.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Where is that\u00a0Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0Here, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da. Can you give me the verse?<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Yoga\u1e25<\/em> prokta\u1e25<\/em> pur\u0101tana\u1e25<\/em>.<\/em>\u00a0Find out the…<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0The… Here it says sixteenth [Hindi].<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Fourth, fourth. Fourth chapter.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, I have the fourth chapter. I’m already in the fourth chapter.<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Read from the very beginning, fourth chapter.<\/span><\/p>\n

Ramkrishna Bajaj[?]:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi]<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0I have the verse, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da.<\/span><\/p>\n

sa ev\u0101ya<\/em>\u1e41<\/em> may\u0101 te ‘dya
\nyoga<\/em>\u1e25<\/em> prokta<\/em>\u1e25<\/em> pur\u0101tana<\/em>\u1e25<\/em>
\nbhakto ‘si me sakh\u0101 ceti
\nrahasya<\/em>\u1e41<\/em> hy etad uttamam
\n[Bg. 4.3]<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Fourth chapter, third verse.<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi] So\u00a0yogo na\u1e63\u1e6d<\/em>a\u1e25<\/em> parantapa.<\/em>\u00a0Eh? Then?<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0Next verse?<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0Apara\u1e41<\/em> bhavato janma param…<\/em>\u00a0[Bg. 4.4]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0No.\u00a0Sa k\u0101lena yogo na\u1e63\u1e6d<\/em>a\u1e25<\/em> parantapa.<\/em>\u00a0Read it,\u00a0parampar\u0101.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n

eva<\/em>\u1e41<\/em> parampar\u0101-pr\u0101ptam
\nima<\/em>\u1e41<\/em> r\u0101jar<\/em>\u1e63<\/em>ayo vidu<\/em>\u1e25<\/em>
\nsa k\u0101leneha mahat\u0101
\nyogo na<\/em>\u1e63\u1e6d<\/em>a<\/em>\u1e25<\/em> parantapa
\n[Bg. 4.2]<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Ah.\u00a0Pur\u0101tana,<\/em>\u00a0the old system… [Hindi]\u00a0Yogo na\u1e63\u1e6d<\/em>a\u1e25<\/em> pur\u0101…, sa k\u0101leneha na\u1e63\u1e6d<\/em>a\u1e25<\/em>.<\/em>\u00a0[Hindi]<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0You have a very nice purport here, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da.<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Hmm. Read it?<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0It says here, “It is clearly stated that the\u00a0G\u012bt\u0101<\/em>\u00a0was especially meant for the saintly kings because they were to execute its purpose in ruling over the citizens. Certainly\u00a0Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101<\/em>\u00a0was never meant for the demoniac persons, who would dissipate its value for no one’s benefit and would devise all types of interpretations according to personal whims. As soon as the original purpose was scattered by the motives of the unscrupulous commentators, there arose the need to reestablish the disciplic succession. Five thousand years ago it was detected by the Lord Himself that the disciplic succession was broken, and therefore He declared that the purpose of the\u00a0G\u012bt\u0101<\/em>\u00a0appeared to be lost. In the same way, at the present moment also there are so many editions of the\u00a0G\u012bt\u0101,<\/em>\u00a0but almost all of them are not according to the authorized disciplic succession. There are innumerable interpretations rendered by different mundane scholars, but almost all of them do not accept the Supreme Personality of Godhead, K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a, although they make a good business on the words of \u015ar\u012b K\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47a. This spirit is demonic because demons do not believe in God but simply enjoy the property of the Supreme. Since there is a great need of an edition of the\u00a0G\u012bt\u0101<\/em>\u00a0in English as it is received by the\u00a0parampar\u0101<\/em>\u00a0disciplic succession system, an attempt is made herewith to fulfill this great want.\u00a0Bhagavad-g\u012bt\u0101,<\/em>\u00a0accepted as it is, is a great boon to humanity. But if it is accepted as a treatise of philosophical speculations, it is simply a waste of time.”<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi] [laughing]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi with guests] And it is natural.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0Natural, and it is really marvelous how it has happened. [Hindi]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0They were also hankering. And as soon as they got it, they got life.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes, they got light. [Hindi between guests and \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da, about willpower and ISKCON]<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0\u0100cch\u0101.<\/em>\u00a0You can go. They will talk with me something.<\/span><\/p>\n

Tam\u0101la K<\/strong>\u1e5b\u1e63\u1e47<\/strong>a:<\/strong>\u00a0You want us to go outside, \u015ar\u012bla Prabhup\u0101da?<\/span><\/p>\n

Prabhup\u0101da:<\/strong>\u00a0Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n

Shri Narayan:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi]<\/span><\/p>\n

Ramkrishna Bajaj:<\/strong>\u00a0[Hindi with Prabhup\u0101da and Shri Narayan—“Hindustan philosophy”; Prabhup\u0101da explaining about Caitanya Mah\u0101prabhu’s philosophy] Excuse me. We are just talking alone with him. [break] [end]<\/span><\/p>\n

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